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Are we already abandoning ship? I wouldn't think Adobe is going to pull the plug or anything too drastic, Right? Btw, I've been a happy Affinity [Designer, Pho

Are we already abandoning ship? I wouldn't think Adobe is going to pull the plug or anything too drastic, Right? Btw, I've been a happy Affinity [Designer, Photo, Publisher] user for many years now. Can't even believe I'm still getting updates with my years old licences. +1

strict9 4y ago
Just about any time a competitive product is swallowed up by a large company that product is left to wither for a year or so before riding off into the sunset.
- parasubvert 4y ago
  That’s just not true. Slack is doing fine. Github is doing fine. Red Hat is also doing fine. Etc.
parasubvert 4y ago
It’s mostly independent designers that feel they can’t afford Adobe level subscriptions.
- detritus 4y ago
  Or "Don't want to pay for", which includes me. The feature set that I use in my daily driver - Illustrator - has pretty much remained constant since CS2 or thereabouts, but I have to maintain a subscription solely to ensure that I can load files from clients without any concern about incompatability or breakage. It's quite annoying paying good money for old rope for years and years on end.
  - GlacierFox 4y ago
    You'll hate to admit it but I know for a fact that a lot of the tools introduced after CS2 have become indispensable and allow you to get work done faster and more efficiently than back in the day.
    - the_mar 4y ago
      Like what?
    - detritus 4y ago
      "For a fact"? Only if you presume to know what I do and how I work, I suppose. I'd not be so bold, personally. - ed: I wondered perhaps if Smart Guides were newer than I remembered, but nup, having checked - they were there in CS2.
- cosmodisk 4y ago
  From western world perspective, $85/month for a whole suite of powerful apps is absolute peanuts if they are used in a professional setting. An average carpenter probably spends more on tool upgrades each year.
  - Existenceblinks 4y ago
    It's just "1 man hour" for a random experienced freelance dude. It's crazy when you think you wouldn't hire this guy for just an hour but 70 hours for just an epic feature. That's already $5950. $85 / (30 * 24 = 720) hours. Wow so cheap! Now we have some sense of how business is working.
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
It's the principle, this was the first time in 17 years anything threatened Adobe and honestly Figma could have destroyed Adobe within 3 years with the right focus. Figma threw every single artist and designer in the world that does 2D work under the bus when they could have saved us all and built better tools. Actually I'd go beyond saying it's the principle, actually now it's personal all the money I spent on Figma, all the hours I spent pushing Figma in organizations and building our workflows around it has just gone to strengthen Adobe's grip on my livelihood. This might sound dramatic but imagine for a moment how you'd feel if you could only work within your industry if you used VSCode, it was closed source and it cost $60 a month and the only chance of fighting against that had sided with the enemy.
- parasubvert 4y ago
  But this is the thing, it’s not healthy to see Adobe as the permanent enemy. They are a reflection of their people and leadership and this is arguably a sign they are a changing company. Your analogy once was true with Microsoft and Visual Studio in the 90s. It was the main IDE for Windows development (there was no Linux, not really). And it was expensive. There wasn’t much competition until Java took off. These days Microsoft isn’t seen as the enemy as often. Github is doing fine for example. Companies can change.
  - BurnerBotje 4y ago
    Maybe the difference between Adobe and Microsoft is that the latter has kind of proven itself now. In the meantime is Adobe very busy trying to separate the Open Source version of Magento from the paid version, called Adobe Commerce now. There is only one mention of Magento left on the homepage, about the name change. And is a link to the free version now where to be found.
  - HelloNurse 4y ago
    Enemies are permanent until they die, not until you get tired.
  - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
eagsalazar2 4y ago
They will almost certainly experience a mass exodus of their top engineering, design, and leadership talent. They'll never come back from that. So it isn't that figma will turn to crap overnight, but over years it is guaranteed to rot, terrible features will start adding up, and adobe will start doing everything they can to pull you into and trap you in their expensive and crappy ecosystem. So yeah it's sort of like climate change. Probably ok for now, but you should definitely start making moves to live somewhere else in the next few years.

strict9 4y ago

Just about any time a competitive product is swallowed up by a large company that product is left to wither for a year or so before riding off into the sunset.

parasubvert 4y ago
That’s just not true. Slack is doing fine. Github is doing fine. Red Hat is also doing fine. Etc.

parasubvert 4y ago

It’s mostly independent designers that feel they can’t afford Adobe level subscriptions.

detritus 4y ago
Or "Don't want to pay for", which includes me. The feature set that I use in my daily driver - Illustrator - has pretty much remained constant since CS2 or thereabouts, but I have to maintain a subscription solely to ensure that I can load files from clients without any concern about incompatability or breakage. It's quite annoying paying good money for old rope for years and years on end.
- GlacierFox 4y ago
  You'll hate to admit it but I know for a fact that a lot of the tools introduced after CS2 have become indispensable and allow you to get work done faster and more efficiently than back in the day.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    Like what?
  - detritus 4y ago
    "For a fact"? Only if you presume to know what I do and how I work, I suppose. I'd not be so bold, personally. - ed: I wondered perhaps if Smart Guides were newer than I remembered, but nup, having checked - they were there in CS2.
cosmodisk 4y ago
From western world perspective, $85/month for a whole suite of powerful apps is absolute peanuts if they are used in a professional setting. An average carpenter probably spends more on tool upgrades each year.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  It's just "1 man hour" for a random experienced freelance dude. It's crazy when you think you wouldn't hire this guy for just an hour but 70 hours for just an epic feature. That's already $5950. $85 / (30 * 24 = 720) hours. Wow so cheap! Now we have some sense of how business is working.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

It's the principle, this was the first time in 17 years anything threatened Adobe and honestly Figma could have destroyed Adobe within 3 years with the right focus. Figma threw every single artist and designer in the world that does 2D work under the bus when they could have saved us all and built better tools. Actually I'd go beyond saying it's the principle, actually now it's personal all the money I spent on Figma, all the hours I spent pushing Figma in organizations and building our workflows around it has just gone to strengthen Adobe's grip on my livelihood. This might sound dramatic but imagine for a moment how you'd feel if you could only work within your industry if you used VSCode, it was closed source and it cost $60 a month and the only chance of fighting against that had sided with the enemy.

parasubvert 4y ago
But this is the thing, it’s not healthy to see Adobe as the permanent enemy. They are a reflection of their people and leadership and this is arguably a sign they are a changing company. Your analogy once was true with Microsoft and Visual Studio in the 90s. It was the main IDE for Windows development (there was no Linux, not really). And it was expensive. There wasn’t much competition until Java took off. These days Microsoft isn’t seen as the enemy as often. Github is doing fine for example. Companies can change.
- BurnerBotje 4y ago
  Maybe the difference between Adobe and Microsoft is that the latter has kind of proven itself now. In the meantime is Adobe very busy trying to separate the Open Source version of Magento from the paid version, called Adobe Commerce now. There is only one mention of Magento left on the homepage, about the name change. And is a link to the free version now where to be found.
- HelloNurse 4y ago
  Enemies are permanent until they die, not until you get tired.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago

eagsalazar2 4y ago

They will almost certainly experience a mass exodus of their top engineering, design, and leadership talent. They'll never come back from that. So it isn't that figma will turn to crap overnight, but over years it is guaranteed to rot, terrible features will start adding up, and adobe will start doing everything they can to pull you into and trap you in their expensive and crappy ecosystem. So yeah it's sort of like climate change. Probably ok for now, but you should definitely start making moves to live somewhere else in the next few years.