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It is so much easier for me to eat dinner only than to eat breakfast only. I notice I control my calorie intake much better with only black coffee in the morni

It is so much easier for me to eat dinner only than to eat breakfast only. I notice I control my calorie intake much better with only black coffee in the mornings and eating in a 6 hour window later in the day. I have become sensitive to caffeine in the past year and mostly stick to decaf and it really made me realize how much I was relying on caffeine as an appetite suppressant.

isthisthingon99 4y ago
Same. I just eat after work. However if you are lifting weights it's best to lift after your meal. Not a bad end to the day tbh
- mizzack 4y ago
  There is nothing wrong with lifting fasted as you're just burning stored glycogen. Unless you're totally glycogen depleted. If anything, there is benefit as being in a fasted state increases insulin sensitivity. I prefer it, personally. Lift around 11am, follow with a big lunch and small early dinner. On rest days, small lunch and bigger dinner.
  - isthisthingon99 4y ago
    I read that you are weaker when lifting fasted, but I should probably try mornings since that's when I have the best energy. Probably depends on the person.
    - tokamak-teapot 4y ago
      Does it matter that you're weaker? Perhaps if you felt dizzy or tired enough that you might injure yourself. I found myself feeling a little weaker before I got into the habit of fasting until late afternoon, but once I got used to it - and corrected my water and salt intake - I felt normal, and then better than before, when I used to eat breakfast and lunch.
    - mizzack 4y ago
      It really is "do what works for you". I track my lifts closely and notice no real max output difference fasted vs. not. Hydration seems to be a lot more important for me which can be an issue lifting in the morning, especially if in keto.
    - gigaflop 4y ago
      I do intermittent fasting, but am in the process of moving my workout to my lunch break, and eating directly afterwards. I've only been on the 'easy' part of the workout cycle so far, but I expect that I'll eventually get used to it and perform closer to normal. Combined with some legit meds I take, I sometimes need to remind myself to eat in the afternoon, and not get lazy about it. My appetite is very accustomed to being pushed off.
ahurmazda 4y ago
Likewise. If I can make it past 9am, I know I can fast till 2 or 3pm without much trouble. Related rant: I wish I could get my hands on one of those fancy continuous glucose monitors to correlate my findings. Damn hassle in the US with prescription and all.
- bkfunk 4y ago
  Not cheap, but check out https://www.levelshealth.com/ https://www.levelshealth.com/
  - PcChip 4y ago
    Rant: I hate everything about that website, it shows so much marketing yet all I want to see is what the device looks like and how it works
- UI_at_80x24 4y ago
  I'm Canadian and recently diagnosed diabetic, and my doctor gave me one of out of his 'free sample' box. It worked great at first (for a few days) then it stopped working. I assume I had banged it too much so I went to the pharmacy and bought one (no prescription needed) and had the pharmacist apply it. It cost ~$200. That one stopped working after 2 days. So I go back into the pharmacy to request a new one and they said: Call the number on the box, they will send you a new one. So it happens often enough that they know the little arm-patch devices are not dependable. This was not one of the fancy kinds that are usually integrated with an insulin pump. It applied to the back of my arm. Now I poke my finger 2-5 times a day. It was nice having data on my phone that I could look at, but that data was still locked to my device and not exportable so it was worthless. I use Google Sheets to keep track, and I can do it anywhere AND do something useful with the data.
  - snthd 4y ago
    >that data was still locked to my device and not exportable Look at the hardware lists of open source projects in this space: https://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/master/docs/Gear%20Up/CGM.html https://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/master/docs/Gear%20Up/CGM.... https://androidaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Module/module.html#bg-source https://androidaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Module/module.ht...
castlecrasher2 4y ago
Have you tried dry fasting? I've tried it about ten times, 24-48 hours each, and it's surprising how little my body cared about eating or even drinking the several times I've done it.
- sjcoles 4y ago
  That sounds like an awful idea to be honest. Good way to damage your kidneys or flare up an diagnosed previously mild condition like hypotension. Even so if your electrolytes become imbalanced when you do hydrate after the fast it's a whole other set of concerns.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  No water? 48h? Hell no. Not sure I would live.
xani_ 4y ago
Same. Just eating one proper meal with food that doesn't instantly metabolize sometime after noon. Occasionally some low-calorie-vegetable-only snack before sleep. And switching anything bread-like out, a bunch of nice baked potatoes keeps hunger out longer than some bread. I tried various stuff but the common advice of "5 small meals across the day" just made me feel like some cow that constantly have to eat something and it was bother to manage, all while I was getting hungry quickly. Took a long while to switch but if I'm not trying to drop weight but "just" keep it steady I can eat big, nice, tasty meal once a day then don't touch food for next 24 hours without much hunger bothering me. I stopped with caffeine because I was drinking it only at work and I often had headaches on Sunday, till I eventually figured out I will get headache from too much coffeine exactly 2 days after i stopped drinking it. Didn't even drank it for the stimulation, just that I like coffee and work had expresso machine and I didn't... took like 2 weeks for me to stop being sleepy in the morning but wasn't that hard.

isthisthingon99 4y ago

Same. I just eat after work. However if you are lifting weights it's best to lift after your meal. Not a bad end to the day tbh

mizzack 4y ago
There is nothing wrong with lifting fasted as you're just burning stored glycogen. Unless you're totally glycogen depleted. If anything, there is benefit as being in a fasted state increases insulin sensitivity. I prefer it, personally. Lift around 11am, follow with a big lunch and small early dinner. On rest days, small lunch and bigger dinner.
- isthisthingon99 4y ago
  I read that you are weaker when lifting fasted, but I should probably try mornings since that's when I have the best energy. Probably depends on the person.
  - tokamak-teapot 4y ago
    Does it matter that you're weaker? Perhaps if you felt dizzy or tired enough that you might injure yourself. I found myself feeling a little weaker before I got into the habit of fasting until late afternoon, but once I got used to it - and corrected my water and salt intake - I felt normal, and then better than before, when I used to eat breakfast and lunch.
  - mizzack 4y ago
    It really is "do what works for you". I track my lifts closely and notice no real max output difference fasted vs. not. Hydration seems to be a lot more important for me which can be an issue lifting in the morning, especially if in keto.
  - gigaflop 4y ago
    I do intermittent fasting, but am in the process of moving my workout to my lunch break, and eating directly afterwards. I've only been on the 'easy' part of the workout cycle so far, but I expect that I'll eventually get used to it and perform closer to normal. Combined with some legit meds I take, I sometimes need to remind myself to eat in the afternoon, and not get lazy about it. My appetite is very accustomed to being pushed off.

ahurmazda 4y ago

Likewise. If I can make it past 9am, I know I can fast till 2 or 3pm without much trouble. Related rant: I wish I could get my hands on one of those fancy continuous glucose monitors to correlate my findings. Damn hassle in the US with prescription and all.

bkfunk 4y ago
Not cheap, but check out https://www.levelshealth.com/ https://www.levelshealth.com/
- PcChip 4y ago
  Rant: I hate everything about that website, it shows so much marketing yet all I want to see is what the device looks like and how it works
UI_at_80x24 4y ago
I'm Canadian and recently diagnosed diabetic, and my doctor gave me one of out of his 'free sample' box. It worked great at first (for a few days) then it stopped working. I assume I had banged it too much so I went to the pharmacy and bought one (no prescription needed) and had the pharmacist apply it. It cost ~$200. That one stopped working after 2 days. So I go back into the pharmacy to request a new one and they said: Call the number on the box, they will send you a new one. So it happens often enough that they know the little arm-patch devices are not dependable. This was not one of the fancy kinds that are usually integrated with an insulin pump. It applied to the back of my arm. Now I poke my finger 2-5 times a day. It was nice having data on my phone that I could look at, but that data was still locked to my device and not exportable so it was worthless. I use Google Sheets to keep track, and I can do it anywhere AND do something useful with the data.
- snthd 4y ago
  >that data was still locked to my device and not exportable Look at the hardware lists of open source projects in this space: https://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/master/docs/Gear%20Up/CGM.html https://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/master/docs/Gear%20Up/CGM.... https://androidaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Module/module.html#bg-source https://androidaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Module/module.ht...

castlecrasher2 4y ago

Have you tried dry fasting? I've tried it about ten times, 24-48 hours each, and it's surprising how little my body cared about eating or even drinking the several times I've done it.

sjcoles 4y ago
That sounds like an awful idea to be honest. Good way to damage your kidneys or flare up an diagnosed previously mild condition like hypotension. Even so if your electrolytes become imbalanced when you do hydrate after the fast it's a whole other set of concerns.
quickthrower2 4y ago
No water? 48h? Hell no. Not sure I would live.

xani_ 4y ago

Same. Just eating one proper meal with food that doesn't instantly metabolize sometime after noon. Occasionally some low-calorie-vegetable-only snack before sleep. And switching anything bread-like out, a bunch of nice baked potatoes keeps hunger out longer than some bread. I tried various stuff but the common advice of "5 small meals across the day" just made me feel like some cow that constantly have to eat something and it was bother to manage, all while I was getting hungry quickly. Took a long while to switch but if I'm not trying to drop weight but "just" keep it steady I can eat big, nice, tasty meal once a day then don't touch food for next 24 hours without much hunger bothering me. I stopped with caffeine because I was drinking it only at work and I often had headaches on Sunday, till I eventually figured out I will get headache from too much coffeine exactly 2 days after i stopped drinking it. Didn't even drank it for the stimulation, just that I like coffee and work had expresso machine and I didn't... took like 2 weeks for me to stop being sleepy in the morning but wasn't that hard.