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Scientific communities don't formally elect a spokesperson. Granting access "to the community" to investigate scientific claims means making the methodology and

Scientific communities don't formally elect a spokesperson. Granting access "to the community" to investigate scientific claims means making the methodology and results available to everybody - and that includes responding to inquiries for access from anyone (who is worth granting access to.) Google has a lot of resources. They can handle responding to potentially thousands of access requests, especially if they go around publishing glowing results of their own system.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
> They can handle responding to potentially thousands of access requests Unless you work at Google how could you know this?
- ivanbakel 4y ago
  Because it's transparently true from the sheer size and wealth of Google. What makes you at all skeptical of that claim?
  - Bakary 4y ago
    But why would they bother granting any sort of access request?
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    It's not at all obvious because many types of costs do not increase linearly for large organizations but exponentially. For example, if it's quadratic, going from 1 000 to 1 000 000 would increase costs by one million fold.
tambourine_man 4y ago
> Scientific communities don't formally elect a spokesperson Some communities do. > Granting access "to the community" to investigate scientific claims means making the methodology and results available to everybody - and that includes responding to inquiries for access from anyone (who is worth granting access to.) Sure, not arguing otherwise. I'll try to make my point more obvious. If you keep asking questions to different people/orgs and not getting responses there are two possible conclusions: - Everyone is a jerk or coward. - You're not as important as you think and not worth the recipient's time.
mattstir 4y ago
It seems clear to me that google simply doesn't track these kinds of requests in general. It's insanely wasteful to respond to "thousands" of ad-hoc access requests made through blog articles. Google has a lot of resources, yes, but that doesn't mean they're frivolous with them. If they wanted to grant access to the scientific community, they'd just launch a closed beta with an official sign-up flow.
- ivanbakel 4y ago
  What are you trying to say? Do you think the author only tried to request access to Imagen through this blog post? What does your comment have to do with the above discussion about Google granting access to the community?
  - quotehelp1829 4y ago
    The author writes "I have repeatedly asked that Google give the scientific community access to Imagen" and it links to a tweet with @Google mention plus #brain and #imagen hashtags (a single ask, no repeated asks shown). I think the author of this blogpost could've had better response contacting paper authors with emails noted on the paper.

MichaelZuo 4y ago

> They can handle responding to potentially thousands of access requests Unless you work at Google how could you know this?

ivanbakel 4y ago
Because it's transparently true from the sheer size and wealth of Google. What makes you at all skeptical of that claim?
- Bakary 4y ago
  But why would they bother granting any sort of access request?
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  It's not at all obvious because many types of costs do not increase linearly for large organizations but exponentially. For example, if it's quadratic, going from 1 000 to 1 000 000 would increase costs by one million fold.

tambourine_man 4y ago

> Scientific communities don't formally elect a spokesperson Some communities do. > Granting access "to the community" to investigate scientific claims means making the methodology and results available to everybody - and that includes responding to inquiries for access from anyone (who is worth granting access to.) Sure, not arguing otherwise. I'll try to make my point more obvious. If you keep asking questions to different people/orgs and not getting responses there are two possible conclusions: - Everyone is a jerk or coward. - You're not as important as you think and not worth the recipient's time.

mattstir 4y ago

It seems clear to me that google simply doesn't track these kinds of requests in general. It's insanely wasteful to respond to "thousands" of ad-hoc access requests made through blog articles. Google has a lot of resources, yes, but that doesn't mean they're frivolous with them. If they wanted to grant access to the scientific community, they'd just launch a closed beta with an official sign-up flow.

ivanbakel 4y ago
What are you trying to say? Do you think the author only tried to request access to Imagen through this blog post? What does your comment have to do with the above discussion about Google granting access to the community?
- quotehelp1829 4y ago
  The author writes "I have repeatedly asked that Google give the scientific community access to Imagen" and it links to a tweet with @Google mention plus #brain and #imagen hashtags (a single ask, no repeated asks shown). I think the author of this blogpost could've had better response contacting paper authors with emails noted on the paper.