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Yes, and people still fall through literal cracks and die every day. You can't force people to be truthful online, just like you can't fill up every crack on t

Yes, and people still fall through literal cracks and die every day. You can't force people to be truthful online, just like you can't fill up every crack on the Earth with cement. If I ask you to confirm you haven't changed your number and you outright lie then I'm sorry but it is what it is.

mistercheph 4y ago
Why would anyone willingly and knowingly do business with someone like you? This attitude is wildly inappropriate both in formal, business relations, and in private, social ones. To treat someone like that is something that should bring a person to bury their head in their hands out of shame.
- ElCheapo 4y ago
  What attitude? Asking your clients to be truthful in exchange for a mutually trustful relationship?
  - mistercheph 4y ago
    Shoving yet another banner in the user's face that is styled like every other banner ad you place in their way, including the one that begs you to download chrome or to sign up for google's latest service does not constitute a meaningful attempt to communicate with the customer. And the customer's blind dismissal of yet another annoying banner does not constitute dishonesty. It is completely disingenuous to frame this as though Bob walked up to Alice after lunch and asked her "Has the phone number you used for authentication changed?" and she lied and said "No". And it seems obvious that in most cases, users that lose access to 2FA methods are not asked "has your 2FA changed?" while they still have access to the account. It is far more likely that one day their cookies are reset or google decides it's time to reauthenticate and they realize that they changed their phone number when they switched phone plans a week ago, and they hadn't thought about the consequences.
account42 4y ago
Well if someone falls through a literal crack IRL then there will be emergency services ready to try to get them out and we don't just say they shouldn't have been absent minded so now they get to rot down there. And if a particular crack swallows up multiple people then we won't say that's life but find ways to fix that crack (probably even after the first person).

mistercheph 4y ago

Why would anyone willingly and knowingly do business with someone like you? This attitude is wildly inappropriate both in formal, business relations, and in private, social ones. To treat someone like that is something that should bring a person to bury their head in their hands out of shame.

ElCheapo 4y ago
What attitude? Asking your clients to be truthful in exchange for a mutually trustful relationship?
- mistercheph 4y ago
  Shoving yet another banner in the user's face that is styled like every other banner ad you place in their way, including the one that begs you to download chrome or to sign up for google's latest service does not constitute a meaningful attempt to communicate with the customer. And the customer's blind dismissal of yet another annoying banner does not constitute dishonesty. It is completely disingenuous to frame this as though Bob walked up to Alice after lunch and asked her "Has the phone number you used for authentication changed?" and she lied and said "No". And it seems obvious that in most cases, users that lose access to 2FA methods are not asked "has your 2FA changed?" while they still have access to the account. It is far more likely that one day their cookies are reset or google decides it's time to reauthenticate and they realize that they changed their phone number when they switched phone plans a week ago, and they hadn't thought about the consequences.

account42 4y ago

Well if someone falls through a literal crack IRL then there will be emergency services ready to try to get them out and we don't just say they shouldn't have been absent minded so now they get to rot down there. And if a particular crack swallows up multiple people then we won't say that's life but find ways to fix that crack (probably even after the first person).