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> Anyone who actually cared about this green bubble, which I'm just finding out is a thing in this thread, would make a swift exit from my life except: it's n

> Anyone who actually cared about this green bubble, which I'm just finding out is a thing in this thread, would make a swift exit from my life except: it's not irrational as you might expect. seriously! green bubble means that your single android friend has just downgraded your fun, interactive group (or solo) chat (with tapbacks, effects, group features, rich content integration, and cross device syncing) into some weird, featureless set of messages the only solution you have, as an android user, is to convince your friends to use a cross platform chat. I personally try to get people to use Signal. the simple reality is that the default messaging story on android is a hot mess, and apple has done a vastly superior job at the feature set and integration. and, having an android user "drag us down" naturally leads to denegration

rjbwork 4y ago
Rest assured you still seem ridiculous to me. You choose to use an exclusionary and proprietary messaging protocol, and then ostracize people who prefer not to spend an absurd amount of money on a phone. Your gripes are absurd and self inflicted.
- parker_mountain 4y ago
  > Rest assured you still seem ridiculous to me. Why? It's completely rational to be annoyed that one person is dragging everyone's experience down - even it's not really that person's fault. > You choose to use an exclusionary and proprietary messaging protocol First of all, it's not really a choice. You text your friend with the built in messaging app and it immediately just "works". There is no setup. Is this anti-trusty? IANAL. And, per my previous post: "the only solution you have, as an android user, is to convince your friends to use a cross platform chat. I personally try to get people to use Signal." > ostracize people who prefer not to spend an absurd amount of money on a phone. iPhones start at around $430, which is about what a mid tier Android phone costs. And, that base iPhone includes top tier hardware that can hold its own against some of the most expensive Android phones. You can buy an iPhone and expect it to receive OS patches for 5 years - and 8 year old phones are still receiving security patches from Apple. Nothing running Android comes close, except for maybe Google's own phones. That comes out to about $20 a month on their two year payment plan, which includes damage repair - considering how long iphones last and receive support compared to android devices, it's a good value. If spending money on a device is a concern, Apple actually offers some extremely good value. > Your gripes are absurd As I said before, the gripes are reasonable, especially to people who text heavily. Is this Apple's fault? Sure, but it's understandable why some iPhone users get annoyed when an Android user downgrades the quality of service - even if it's not entirely fair. By the way, you seem to think I'm pro-lock-in or pro-apple. Which really couldn't be further from the truth. By the way, I have run into a lot of android users take some sort of pride in not using the "trendy fruit company" devices - which is also foolish. So I really think people need to step back from trying to feel superior and instead focus on how to ensure everyone has secure and private E2EE messaging
  - rjbwork 4y ago
    You make some good points, but honestly I'm not terribly interested in continuing the conversation. I apologize for my overly aggressive rhetoric.

rjbwork 4y ago

Rest assured you still seem ridiculous to me. You choose to use an exclusionary and proprietary messaging protocol, and then ostracize people who prefer not to spend an absurd amount of money on a phone. Your gripes are absurd and self inflicted.

parker_mountain 4y ago
> Rest assured you still seem ridiculous to me. Why? It's completely rational to be annoyed that one person is dragging everyone's experience down - even it's not really that person's fault. > You choose to use an exclusionary and proprietary messaging protocol First of all, it's not really a choice. You text your friend with the built in messaging app and it immediately just "works". There is no setup. Is this anti-trusty? IANAL. And, per my previous post: "the only solution you have, as an android user, is to convince your friends to use a cross platform chat. I personally try to get people to use Signal." > ostracize people who prefer not to spend an absurd amount of money on a phone. iPhones start at around $430, which is about what a mid tier Android phone costs. And, that base iPhone includes top tier hardware that can hold its own against some of the most expensive Android phones. You can buy an iPhone and expect it to receive OS patches for 5 years - and 8 year old phones are still receiving security patches from Apple. Nothing running Android comes close, except for maybe Google's own phones. That comes out to about $20 a month on their two year payment plan, which includes damage repair - considering how long iphones last and receive support compared to android devices, it's a good value. If spending money on a device is a concern, Apple actually offers some extremely good value. > Your gripes are absurd As I said before, the gripes are reasonable, especially to people who text heavily. Is this Apple's fault? Sure, but it's understandable why some iPhone users get annoyed when an Android user downgrades the quality of service - even if it's not entirely fair. By the way, you seem to think I'm pro-lock-in or pro-apple. Which really couldn't be further from the truth. By the way, I have run into a lot of android users take some sort of pride in not using the "trendy fruit company" devices - which is also foolish. So I really think people need to step back from trying to feel superior and instead focus on how to ensure everyone has secure and private E2EE messaging
- rjbwork 4y ago
  You make some good points, but honestly I'm not terribly interested in continuing the conversation. I apologize for my overly aggressive rhetoric.