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It's likely your idea of what Christianity should be, and that of the people in the middle ages, are wildly different. Particularly with regard to punishment a

by mod 4y ago

It's likely your idea of what Christianity should be, and that of the people in the middle ages, are wildly different. Particularly with regard to punishment and value of human life.

zarzavat 4y ago
While I’m usually a great proponent of moral relativism, the whole point of Abrahamic religion is that there is a book that expresses an absolute moral standard. Considering the manner of Jesus’s own death I think we can safely state that he would not have approved of torturing people to death, and the people of the Middle Ages (or the Bush administration) were deluded in their understanding of their religion. What’s tragic is how little progress has been made in the last 2000 years.
- bazoom42 4y ago
  Jesus condones pain and suffering as approptiate punishment for sinners.
  - nikolay 4y ago
    Except that the punishment comes from God, not from brethren.
    - whythre 4y ago
      Of course- but consider that many of the torturers would be able to rationalize what they were doing. Kings were seen as the protectors of the nation via divine appointment, and the church acted with the authority to rival what is written in the Bible- a Bible that most Christians could not even read.
- WHATDOESIT 4y ago
  > Considering the manner of Jesus’s own death I think we can safely state What I really dislike about Christianity is that there's a book with "absolute moral code" but it's written in stories and riddles so the absolute rules are interpreted differently by every single person, while all of them claim that the book (and thus the God) fully supports their position. There are people who abuse women and keep saying it's because Jesus said that's right, and at the same time there are people claiming that behavior is clearly forbidden by Jesus so Christianity must be good.
  - Thorrez 4y ago
    How are people saying Jesus said it's OK for people to abuse women? I don't think there's anything like that. Also Jesus gave plenty of advice in non-parables, e.g John 13:34: >A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
    - WHATDOESIT 4y ago
      Jesus forgot to end the book right after (and before) that sentence.
    - cm2187 4y ago
      The new testament is fairly consistent and I don't think any modern human right activist will have any issue with a single line (not the least because human rights are largely the secular transcription of christian principles). But I never understood why christianity never ditched the old testament which is full of stories that directly contradicts the said principles.
      - WHATDOESIT 4y ago
        No. The Christian churches of various denominations have "marriage classes" where they teach how a woman must be an obedient servant to the man and never ever think of leaving him, for example - any abuse must be a fault of the woman, they said. Also, you could read up on the rejection of contraconception - of course, a woman must give him a child whenever God pleases, right? They also teach that it's best to beat up children if they don't listen to "commands", they call it "training" as if it was a dog and not a little powerless human. There are entire books on the subject sold right in the churches (pretty expensive too - but God recommends it so what can you do). We could also talk about transphobia and homophobia, about the "reeducation" camps, about the torture they make these people go through - mentally as well as physically. And they make old sick poor people donate the few coins they saved up - in a damn building with more gold on it than the local bank has in its treasury. Wtf. Don't get me started on how they encourage parents and other family members to disown and discommunicate the members of their families who break these """principles""". Several of my friends eventually bowed down to this pressure even though they fucking hate every single thing about it. The saddest thing I ever encountered was a nice young woman who was raised (indoctrinated and groomed) in this hell and believed it was all right - and tried to get me to behave this way, took me to the fucking marriage classes. They had to call the police on me, I nearly burned that place down. I'm getting so angry I'm shaking just by remembering the terrible shit they said there. Of course now there's also the whole thing about abortions in Poland, some US states etc - women are dying senselessly because of this - or being sent to prison. Every month I make a point of donating to the nonprofits that are trafficking women hidden in fucking windowless vans as if they were criminals running away to my state for abortions - and then they can't ever return home in many cases, because now they make doctors register pregnant women in a damn central database. This is literally Nazi-esque shit, sponsored and encouraged by the damn churches. There already were border police chases, and it's only a question of time when somebody crashes and dies - or they start shooting. The "funny" thing is, our local police protects these vans - I wouldn't be surprised if there was a major diplomatic incident (as in cops shooting at each other) soon. It's all horrible. Excuse me, I need to go throw up. (yeah sure I know, this is not the true Christianity, right?)

by mod 4y ago

It's likely your idea of what Christianity should be, and that of the people in the middle ages, are wildly different. Particularly with regard to punishment and value of human life.

zarzavat 4y ago

While I’m usually a great proponent of moral relativism, the whole point of Abrahamic religion is that there is a book that expresses an absolute moral standard. Considering the manner of Jesus’s own death I think we can safely state that he would not have approved of torturing people to death, and the people of the Middle Ages (or the Bush administration) were deluded in their understanding of their religion. What’s tragic is how little progress has been made in the last 2000 years.

bazoom42 4y ago
Jesus condones pain and suffering as approptiate punishment for sinners.
- nikolay 4y ago
  Except that the punishment comes from God, not from brethren.
  - whythre 4y ago
    Of course- but consider that many of the torturers would be able to rationalize what they were doing. Kings were seen as the protectors of the nation via divine appointment, and the church acted with the authority to rival what is written in the Bible- a Bible that most Christians could not even read.
WHATDOESIT 4y ago
> Considering the manner of Jesus’s own death I think we can safely state What I really dislike about Christianity is that there's a book with "absolute moral code" but it's written in stories and riddles so the absolute rules are interpreted differently by every single person, while all of them claim that the book (and thus the God) fully supports their position. There are people who abuse women and keep saying it's because Jesus said that's right, and at the same time there are people claiming that behavior is clearly forbidden by Jesus so Christianity must be good.
- Thorrez 4y ago
  How are people saying Jesus said it's OK for people to abuse women? I don't think there's anything like that. Also Jesus gave plenty of advice in non-parables, e.g John 13:34: >A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
  - WHATDOESIT 4y ago
    Jesus forgot to end the book right after (and before) that sentence.
  - cm2187 4y ago
    The new testament is fairly consistent and I don't think any modern human right activist will have any issue with a single line (not the least because human rights are largely the secular transcription of christian principles). But I never understood why christianity never ditched the old testament which is full of stories that directly contradicts the said principles.
    - WHATDOESIT 4y ago
      No. The Christian churches of various denominations have "marriage classes" where they teach how a woman must be an obedient servant to the man and never ever think of leaving him, for example - any abuse must be a fault of the woman, they said. Also, you could read up on the rejection of contraconception - of course, a woman must give him a child whenever God pleases, right? They also teach that it's best to beat up children if they don't listen to "commands", they call it "training" as if it was a dog and not a little powerless human. There are entire books on the subject sold right in the churches (pretty expensive too - but God recommends it so what can you do). We could also talk about transphobia and homophobia, about the "reeducation" camps, about the torture they make these people go through - mentally as well as physically. And they make old sick poor people donate the few coins they saved up - in a damn building with more gold on it than the local bank has in its treasury. Wtf. Don't get me started on how they encourage parents and other family members to disown and discommunicate the members of their families who break these """principles""". Several of my friends eventually bowed down to this pressure even though they fucking hate every single thing about it. The saddest thing I ever encountered was a nice young woman who was raised (indoctrinated and groomed) in this hell and believed it was all right - and tried to get me to behave this way, took me to the fucking marriage classes. They had to call the police on me, I nearly burned that place down. I'm getting so angry I'm shaking just by remembering the terrible shit they said there. Of course now there's also the whole thing about abortions in Poland, some US states etc - women are dying senselessly because of this - or being sent to prison. Every month I make a point of donating to the nonprofits that are trafficking women hidden in fucking windowless vans as if they were criminals running away to my state for abortions - and then they can't ever return home in many cases, because now they make doctors register pregnant women in a damn central database. This is literally Nazi-esque shit, sponsored and encouraged by the damn churches. There already were border police chases, and it's only a question of time when somebody crashes and dies - or they start shooting. The "funny" thing is, our local police protects these vans - I wouldn't be surprised if there was a major diplomatic incident (as in cops shooting at each other) soon. It's all horrible. Excuse me, I need to go throw up. (yeah sure I know, this is not the true Christianity, right?)