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That’s a dangerous precedent to set. You’re essentially egging on today’s generation to “clash back”. Colonialism isn’t the same as ancestral predator prey mec

That’s a dangerous precedent to set. You’re essentially egging on today’s generation to “clash back”. Colonialism isn’t the same as ancestral predator prey mechanics. Or, that we should reverse every unjust war waged in the world. Some are just blatantly brutal. Simple. We owe it to our species to recognize mistake, apologize and make repairs. Would Britain really say “it’s ridiculous. Things change. Move on” for forcefully castrating Turing simply because he was gay? Oh wait. No. They didn’t actually do that. Some atrocities are just that bad. Things don’t change. It’s ridiculous. Grow a spine!

imgabe 4y ago
> Would Britain really say “it’s ridiculous. Things change. Move on” for forcefully castrating Turing simply because he was gay? Oh wait. No. They didn’t actually do that. And what did that do for Turing? He's still castrated. He's still dead. Were the people who apologized even the ones responsible? They must be mostly dead now too. Was there any serious concern in 2009 when the apology was issued that the UK was going to continue castrating gay people? That had far more to do with present day politics and empty gestures to appease people like yourself than with making any repairs or apologies to anyone, not that such gestures mean anything to dead people anyway. The people who used to own the diamond and could theoretically have any rightful claim to it are likewise dead, as are the people who stole it. It is where it is now and moving it somewhere else won't change the past. India's economy just eclipsed the UK's and is on the rise, while the UK is declining, so they'll have the last laugh anyway. Maybe they can buy it back at a yard sale when King George needs to pawn it to pay the rent on Buckingham Palace.
betwixthewires 4y ago
It is literally the precedent that has already been set. Colonialism is exactly the same as ancestral predator prey dynamics (whatever you mean by that). We do recognize, apologize and make repairs. This is why Africa, India and southeast Asia are all free, sovereign nations now. Repairs were made. I always find it funny that Indians venerate the moghuls and vilify the British. They were both foreign invaders that conquered people. At least the British led directly to a much more unified India as it stands today, the concept of a single Indian state is a new one (that was created by the British), India is as much one people as Europe, do you think the Indian government owes reparations to the princely states for forcibly annexing them?
- cafed00d 4y ago
  Oh while we’re at it, yeah, those Iranian Crown Jewels should also be returned to Kollur. More info: I think what you’re missing is atrocities have been committed and forgotten. Let’s stick to the topic at hand: we’ll unravel the stack reverse chronological order. The point here is not to somehow e redistribute all the wealth all over the world. The point is to make reparations. The kingdom of Britain squatting over India for 309 years and then leaving is not morally the right thing to do.
  - betwixthewires 4y ago
    I think leaving it was the morally right thing to do, and in light of the way the world was before and the way it changed for the better away from colonialism, it was the only right thing to do.
rayiner 4y ago
Bangladesh has aboriginal people too. There is zero chance in hell we ever give back the land. Why should we view the British any differently? The problem with your line of thinking is that it’s never applied equally. It always ends up with only white people being assigned moral agency.

imgabe 4y ago

> Would Britain really say “it’s ridiculous. Things change. Move on” for forcefully castrating Turing simply because he was gay? Oh wait. No. They didn’t actually do that. And what did that do for Turing? He's still castrated. He's still dead. Were the people who apologized even the ones responsible? They must be mostly dead now too. Was there any serious concern in 2009 when the apology was issued that the UK was going to continue castrating gay people? That had far more to do with present day politics and empty gestures to appease people like yourself than with making any repairs or apologies to anyone, not that such gestures mean anything to dead people anyway. The people who used to own the diamond and could theoretically have any rightful claim to it are likewise dead, as are the people who stole it. It is where it is now and moving it somewhere else won't change the past. India's economy just eclipsed the UK's and is on the rise, while the UK is declining, so they'll have the last laugh anyway. Maybe they can buy it back at a yard sale when King George needs to pawn it to pay the rent on Buckingham Palace.

betwixthewires 4y ago

It is literally the precedent that has already been set. Colonialism is exactly the same as ancestral predator prey dynamics (whatever you mean by that). We do recognize, apologize and make repairs. This is why Africa, India and southeast Asia are all free, sovereign nations now. Repairs were made. I always find it funny that Indians venerate the moghuls and vilify the British. They were both foreign invaders that conquered people. At least the British led directly to a much more unified India as it stands today, the concept of a single Indian state is a new one (that was created by the British), India is as much one people as Europe, do you think the Indian government owes reparations to the princely states for forcibly annexing them?

cafed00d 4y ago
Oh while we’re at it, yeah, those Iranian Crown Jewels should also be returned to Kollur. More info: I think what you’re missing is atrocities have been committed and forgotten. Let’s stick to the topic at hand: we’ll unravel the stack reverse chronological order. The point here is not to somehow e redistribute all the wealth all over the world. The point is to make reparations. The kingdom of Britain squatting over India for 309 years and then leaving is not morally the right thing to do.
- betwixthewires 4y ago
  I think leaving it was the morally right thing to do, and in light of the way the world was before and the way it changed for the better away from colonialism, it was the only right thing to do.

rayiner 4y ago

Bangladesh has aboriginal people too. There is zero chance in hell we ever give back the land. Why should we view the British any differently? The problem with your line of thinking is that it’s never applied equally. It always ends up with only white people being assigned moral agency.