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You underestimate the impact of piracy in developing countries. It’s true that almost no one bought games at full price, so Sony was only seeing unit sales. Ho

by Cyph0n 4y ago

You underestimate the impact of piracy in developing countries. It’s true that almost no one bought games at full price, so Sony was only seeing unit sales. However, once these countries developed further and the people who grew up with PS consoles started to make more money, guess which consoles and games these people decided to buy? Hint: it wasn’t Xbox! Long story short, easy access to piracy was a gateway to future PS game sales in many developing countries.

dizhn 4y ago
I agree with what you're saying but I would not exclude Xbox. They were also hacked to play ripped games.
- Aromasin 4y ago
  I can echo that sentiment. My original xbox was chipped. As a hacky kid with no money, it was the only way I could play new games. Guess who went on to own every xbox generation for the next 10+ years?
- Cyph0n 4y ago
  Thanks for noting that. My experience growing up in the Middle East was very skewed towards Sony consoles.
morsch 4y ago
About 130 of 160 million PS2s were sold in North America, Europe and Japan. Developing countries don't appear to be a significant market for the console. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_sales https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_sales
- Asooka 4y ago
  "developing countries" in that context are places like the former soviet union, i.e. half of Europe at the time, or latin america. The hardware was hella expensive, but with several months of savings it was possible. The games were a different matter. You were basically buying imports from the other end of the continent with all the shipping and customs taxes that incurs. Piracy was what drove people's buying decisions.
- boltzmann-brain 4y ago
  This is heavily skewed. If you lived in Eastern Europe it was customary to drive down to Germany to buy PS1/2 because they were much cheaper there. I know several people who started their retail business just by bringing back car loads of PS2's. One guy even got a mocking nickname (something like "playstation") that stuck with him for decades after when he moved on to selling HiFi and AV out of his store. I absolutely assure you no one, ever, bought original games in those countries. Especially not the (relatively) rich who could afford them. DVD playback wasn't a selling point. No one had DVDs back then. Everyone watched xvid on their PC. That was the only way to obtain digital movies. DVD stores were very minimal and saw no attention. Rentals were mostly VHS.
  - Cyph0n 4y ago
    Yep, it was the same in the Middle East. Immigrants and travelers to Europe and the US frequently brought back electronics, including game consoles. They were then modchipped locally.
    - boltzmann-brain 4y ago
      I had no idea the silk road went this far. Would you have normally traveled through Russia / Georgia / Kazakhstan etc?
- Cyph0n 4y ago
  A console being sold in a country doesn’t mean it was bought to be used there. Many travelers and immigrants brought consoles back home for family.
trhw4563 4y ago
That's me. As a kid 15+ years ago, buying a video game for PS2 was ridiculously expensive. I was buying cheaper copies from local "distributors", then I eventually got Internet connection and learned to download them myself. I did buy a PS4 a few years ago and purchased a few games - which does not sound like much, but I basically have 0 time for that now, but if I did have time, it would not be PC, Xbox, it would be PlayStation. If it was just for the exclusive titles. God of War was one of my favorite games and I was happy to play its recent continuation (though I only had the time to finish like 1/3 of the story, I really enjoyed it). I also bought PS3 before Hotz by the way. Over the span of 2 years I bought like 3 games I cared about the most, that's all I could afford with the money I had available as a kid. After the jailbreak I had some 20 titles.
- Cyph0n 4y ago
  Very similar story to mine haha! I started off with a modchipped PS1, and was only able to buy titles from PS3 onwards.

by Cyph0n 4y ago

dizhn 4y ago

I agree with what you're saying but I would not exclude Xbox. They were also hacked to play ripped games.

Aromasin 4y ago
I can echo that sentiment. My original xbox was chipped. As a hacky kid with no money, it was the only way I could play new games. Guess who went on to own every xbox generation for the next 10+ years?
Cyph0n 4y ago
Thanks for noting that. My experience growing up in the Middle East was very skewed towards Sony consoles.

morsch 4y ago

About 130 of 160 million PS2s were sold in North America, Europe and Japan. Developing countries don't appear to be a significant market for the console. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_sales https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_sales

Asooka 4y ago
"developing countries" in that context are places like the former soviet union, i.e. half of Europe at the time, or latin america. The hardware was hella expensive, but with several months of savings it was possible. The games were a different matter. You were basically buying imports from the other end of the continent with all the shipping and customs taxes that incurs. Piracy was what drove people's buying decisions.
boltzmann-brain 4y ago
This is heavily skewed. If you lived in Eastern Europe it was customary to drive down to Germany to buy PS1/2 because they were much cheaper there. I know several people who started their retail business just by bringing back car loads of PS2's. One guy even got a mocking nickname (something like "playstation") that stuck with him for decades after when he moved on to selling HiFi and AV out of his store. I absolutely assure you no one, ever, bought original games in those countries. Especially not the (relatively) rich who could afford them. DVD playback wasn't a selling point. No one had DVDs back then. Everyone watched xvid on their PC. That was the only way to obtain digital movies. DVD stores were very minimal and saw no attention. Rentals were mostly VHS.
- Cyph0n 4y ago
  Yep, it was the same in the Middle East. Immigrants and travelers to Europe and the US frequently brought back electronics, including game consoles. They were then modchipped locally.
  - boltzmann-brain 4y ago
    I had no idea the silk road went this far. Would you have normally traveled through Russia / Georgia / Kazakhstan etc?
Cyph0n 4y ago
A console being sold in a country doesn’t mean it was bought to be used there. Many travelers and immigrants brought consoles back home for family.

trhw4563 4y ago

That's me. As a kid 15+ years ago, buying a video game for PS2 was ridiculously expensive. I was buying cheaper copies from local "distributors", then I eventually got Internet connection and learned to download them myself. I did buy a PS4 a few years ago and purchased a few games - which does not sound like much, but I basically have 0 time for that now, but if I did have time, it would not be PC, Xbox, it would be PlayStation. If it was just for the exclusive titles. God of War was one of my favorite games and I was happy to play its recent continuation (though I only had the time to finish like 1/3 of the story, I really enjoyed it). I also bought PS3 before Hotz by the way. Over the span of 2 years I bought like 3 games I cared about the most, that's all I could afford with the money I had available as a kid. After the jailbreak I had some 20 titles.

Cyph0n 4y ago
Very similar story to mine haha! I started off with a modchipped PS1, and was only able to buy titles from PS3 onwards.