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> It is a bad thing, because the law protects our disagreement with the election deniers/MAGA diehards only as much as it protects their disagreement with ours.

> It is a bad thing, because the law protects our disagreement with the election deniers/MAGA diehards only as much as it protects their disagreement with ours. [Citation Needed] I'll assume you mean the first amendment and that only applies to the government not to private business (i.e. Facebook). It definitely does not apply to a webpage that told you in their T&C that they're scanning the content you post. The article may quote “Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.” but it wouldn't be worth the ink it's printed on. Time and time again it's been shown that if a third party (i.e. facebook) wants to willingly give information to the government a subpoena is not needed.

everforward 4y ago
The 4th Amendment is at issue here. This is just a neat end-run around the 4th Amendment; it doesn't apply if you can put enough soft pressure on businesses to have them report on their own users. You're right that it's legal under the current interpretation of the laws. It just means the 4th Amendment isn't worth the paper it was printed on, and it'll get relegated to the "stuff people used to care about category" like the 3rd.
- skeyo 4y ago
  kinda like saying it should be illegal for a cop to _ask_ for your ID
  - everforward 4y ago
    That's a very different situation. For one, that's a first party request; I can refuse (in some states, in some circumstances). A license also can't contain private information; it's a physical manifestation of information that a person willingly surrendered to the government. There's a huge difference between a cop asking a single person for their ID, and dragnet surveillance of people with a particular viewpoint.
    - Nahtnah 4y ago
      I think his point is there's a similar distinction between monitoring a group of people who attacked democracy, and dragnet surveillance of the entire population.

everforward 4y ago

The 4th Amendment is at issue here. This is just a neat end-run around the 4th Amendment; it doesn't apply if you can put enough soft pressure on businesses to have them report on their own users. You're right that it's legal under the current interpretation of the laws. It just means the 4th Amendment isn't worth the paper it was printed on, and it'll get relegated to the "stuff people used to care about category" like the 3rd.

skeyo 4y ago
kinda like saying it should be illegal for a cop to _ask_ for your ID
- everforward 4y ago
  That's a very different situation. For one, that's a first party request; I can refuse (in some states, in some circumstances). A license also can't contain private information; it's a physical manifestation of information that a person willingly surrendered to the government. There's a huge difference between a cop asking a single person for their ID, and dragnet surveillance of people with a particular viewpoint.
  - Nahtnah 4y ago
    I think his point is there's a similar distinction between monitoring a group of people who attacked democracy, and dragnet surveillance of the entire population.