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It's like the argument that California should be given back to Mexico, when Mexico itself was a Spanish colonial construct.
by Turing_Machine 4y ago
It's like the argument that California should be given back to Mexico, when Mexico itself was a Spanish colonial construct.
- abeppu 4y agohttps://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/california-redwood-forest-returned-to-native-tribal-group/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/california-redwood-fo... Update: To clarify, Turing_Machine likened the suggestion that California be given to Mexico to alephnerd's description of the complex and unclear proper ownership of the Koh-I-Noor. I claim that the situation in California is simpler, at least in some places, because there are native Californians to give stuff back to and multiple tribes are willing to cooperatively take custody and stewardship of the land, as the InterTribal Sinkyone Wilderness Council has. This is in many ways the opposite of Pakistan, India and Afghanistan having competing / mutually incompatible claims.
- alephnerd 4y agoTribal Soverignity is a different story than nation state soverignity. The Federal government has supremacy over Tribal and State Government. Worcester v. Georgia still holds edit: the OP is actually a good example now that he explained it.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago"Give it back to local indigenous groups" is an entirely different thing from "Give it back to Mexico". What is now California was never controlled by what is now Mexico until the Spanish colonizers showed up. The Aztecs (who were themselves brutal colonizers, as it happens) weren't running the show there or anything like that.
- tomcam 4y agoHow far back does one go for indigenous groups? Kennewick Man, in the case of Washington State? How do we figure out which Indian tribe gets how much, of the dozens we know about in California history? Do we discount for those tribes that owned slaves?
- boredemployee 4y agoNo matter what, whenever we need to go back in history, some segment of the population feels harmed
- selimthegrim 4y agoAztecs supposedly came from the north, hence the moniker of the Aztlán movement
- tomcam 4y agoWhich begs the question. Most Mexicans now are descended from both Mestizo Indians and Europeans. Once we give Mexico back to the indigenous peoples... do we send the Euro-descendants back to Spain? Also what about the Clovis peoples of California. Do we track down their heirs?