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Just in time that I would like to buy a winter jacket, seems Patagonia is the brand, if not at least a used one.

uoaei 4y ago
- mandmandam 4y ago
  Everything I've ever seen from Patagonia shows that they actually walk the walk. They source as ethically as possible. Their repair program is unmatched. They pay their workers well. In this story, they did their utmost to ensure their company remains well run, while constantly supporting their goal of protecting nature. So, what exactly is your point here? Of all the companies you could reasonably attack for propaganda - why this one?
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Not saying they are lying about what they are doing, only that they are conscious of what kind of message the PR sends, factored it into their sales forecasts, and are now profiting off of it. It's just business. In general brand loyalty is a consumerist mindset, period. To the extent that Patagonia's actions engender a "rethinking" of "capitalism" they are still inhabiting a space which benefits from encouraging a consumer mindset, which as we know is one of the main cultural forces that continues to push us toward more and more growth, at the behest of the (individualist) consumer, and at the expense of nature. Patagonia's ethics are complicated, as are those of any company who inhabits a system where profit is the dominant motive. Ultimately they are still producing articles primarily made of petrochemicals for one-time (and, occasionally, secondhand) consumption. They do good through advocacy and other initiatives, but one must consider the entire set of nth-order effects that participating in such a system entails, and if you do the accounting you would realize it is a net negative as far as climate impacts go.
remify 4y ago
I've got a Patagonia Parka, I get excited to wear it when it gets cold and rainy. They create amazing products that last long and you get fond of

mandmandam 4y ago
Everything I've ever seen from Patagonia shows that they actually walk the walk. They source as ethically as possible. Their repair program is unmatched. They pay their workers well. In this story, they did their utmost to ensure their company remains well run, while constantly supporting their goal of protecting nature. So, what exactly is your point here? Of all the companies you could reasonably attack for propaganda - why this one?
- uoaei 4y ago
  Not saying they are lying about what they are doing, only that they are conscious of what kind of message the PR sends, factored it into their sales forecasts, and are now profiting off of it. It's just business. In general brand loyalty is a consumerist mindset, period. To the extent that Patagonia's actions engender a "rethinking" of "capitalism" they are still inhabiting a space which benefits from encouraging a consumer mindset, which as we know is one of the main cultural forces that continues to push us toward more and more growth, at the behest of the (individualist) consumer, and at the expense of nature. Patagonia's ethics are complicated, as are those of any company who inhabits a system where profit is the dominant motive. Ultimately they are still producing articles primarily made of petrochemicals for one-time (and, occasionally, secondhand) consumption. They do good through advocacy and other initiatives, but one must consider the entire set of nth-order effects that participating in such a system entails, and if you do the accounting you would realize it is a net negative as far as climate impacts go.

I've got a Patagonia Parka, I get excited to wear it when it gets cold and rainy. They create amazing products that last long and you get fond of