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Sweden election: How an ex neo-Nazi movement became kingmakers

6 points by _Microft 4y ago

incomingpain 4y ago
Admittedly havent followed Sweden politics in a long time. Guess they had an election 3 days ago where this right-wing party increased their popular vote by 3% compared to previous election. So basically not-news. Doesnt seem like any major changes to their electorate. >Sweden election: How an ex neo-Nazi movement became kingmakers >More than one in five Swedes voted for the radical anti-immigration Sweden Democrats (SD) party in elections on Sunday. What a tremendously biased article. How absolutely embarrassing for the BBC to publish this. >It is a watershed moment for a party founded by Nazi sympathisers, shunned for decades by the mainstream - and now on the cusp of playing a kingmaking role in a country better known for its stable and predictable politics. All these swedish nazis... Let's discuss what happened. In 2013 Sweden opened the gates for Arab spring immigration. Applause for Sweden for trying to help. They brought in significant number of people. Which for a country not that experienced with large immigration they weren't prepared. You have the not-nazis socialists who did win this election a couple days ago saying only months ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integra... You also have a bit of a rape problem in Sweden: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago. There's a clear problem here that needs to be addressed. Calling politicians who are trying to fix the situation a bunch of nazis isn't going to help the situation at all.
- trasz 4y ago
  >Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago Because of fake news, in particular by ignoring the cause, namely counting rape cases properly, which is very different from most countries.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  >Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago. There's a clear problem here that needs to be addressed. Note that Sweden actually counts many things as rape which are not considered rape in other countries (see Assange). > Calling politicians who are trying to fix the situation a bunch of nazis isn't going to help the situation at all. Considering that some of its members used to go on marches with actual Nazi flags and went out bashing brown people (yes they are trying to clean up their image, but those people are still in the party), I think it's pretty fair to call them Nazis.
tarakat 4y ago
> radical anti-immigration Sweden Democrats What does "radical" mean? A return to pre-1975 immigration policy? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#1968%E2%80%931991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#1968%E2%... > The party has also undergone an extensive rebranding: replacing its burning flame logo with a more innocent-looking flower and scrapping its "Keep Sweden Swedish" slogan. The Overton window has shifted so far that an indigenous people cannot even keep one small corner of the world to themselves without being called "radical". Anything short of enthusiastically cheering for your country to be reduced to an economic zone for the global population to compete in is now far right.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  >The Overton window has shifted so far that an indigenous people cannot even keep one small corner of the world to themselves without being called "radical". Anything short of enthusiastically cheering for your country to be reduced to an economic zone for the global population to compete in is now far right. What do you mean indigenous? Sami? SD doesn't not even think they are swedish.
- eesmith 4y ago
  "A return to pre-1975 immigration policy" is a poor argument for if something is radical or not. In 1975, Sweden did not allow same-sex marriage. It does now. I believe a repeal of same-sex marriage and forced dissolution of existing marriages would be a radical move in modern Sweden. The Abortion Act of 1974 "states that up until the end of the eighteenth week of the pregnancy, the choice of an abortion is entirely up to the woman, for any reason whatsoever". A return to the pre-1974 abortion policy (only "serious medical consideration" and "social medicinal grounds") would be a radical change, yes? (Quoting Wikipedia.) > an indigenous people In 1976 the the Swedish Parliament recognized the Sami as an indigenous population that had been in Sweden as long as or longer than the majority population. I believe a return to the pre-1975 laws regarding the Sami people (and lack of protections thereof) would also be considered radical in modern Sweden. Am I wrong? How does "Keep Sweden Swedish" affect the Sami? Are the Sami Swedish? For that matter, are you using the term "indigenous" correctly? From what I can tell, the Swedish government doesn't consider the majority population as an indigenous people. Google Translate of https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursprungsfolk https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursprungsfolk says: ] In the Swedish report "The Sami: an indigenous people in Sweden", indigenous people are defined as "people who are descended from ethnic groups that lived in the country at the time of the establishment of the current state borders and who have fully or partially retained their social, economic, cultural and political institutions"[3] That definition would mean the Swedish majority population are not indigenous.

6 points by _Microft 4y ago

Admittedly havent followed Sweden politics in a long time. Guess they had an election 3 days ago where this right-wing party increased their popular vote by 3% compared to previous election. So basically not-news. Doesnt seem like any major changes to their electorate. >Sweden election: How an ex neo-Nazi movement became kingmakers >More than one in five Swedes voted for the radical anti-immigration Sweden Democrats (SD) party in elections on Sunday. What a tremendously biased article. How absolutely embarrassing for the BBC to publish this. >It is a watershed moment for a party founded by Nazi sympathisers, shunned for decades by the mainstream - and now on the cusp of playing a kingmaking role in a country better known for its stable and predictable politics. All these swedish nazis... Let's discuss what happened. In 2013 Sweden opened the gates for Arab spring immigration. Applause for Sweden for trying to help. They brought in significant number of people. Which for a country not that experienced with large immigration they weren't prepared. You have the not-nazis socialists who did win this election a couple days ago saying only months ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integra... You also have a bit of a rape problem in Sweden: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago. There's a clear problem here that needs to be addressed. Calling politicians who are trying to fix the situation a bunch of nazis isn't going to help the situation at all.

trasz 4y ago
>Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago Because of fake news, in particular by ignoring the cause, namely counting rape cases properly, which is very different from most countries.
cycomanic 4y ago
>Sweden used to be the rape capital of the world only a few years ago. There's a clear problem here that needs to be addressed. Note that Sweden actually counts many things as rape which are not considered rape in other countries (see Assange). > Calling politicians who are trying to fix the situation a bunch of nazis isn't going to help the situation at all. Considering that some of its members used to go on marches with actual Nazi flags and went out bashing brown people (yes they are trying to clean up their image, but those people are still in the party), I think it's pretty fair to call them Nazis.

tarakat 4y ago

> radical anti-immigration Sweden Democrats What does "radical" mean? A return to pre-1975 immigration policy? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#1968%E2%80%931991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#1968%E2%... > The party has also undergone an extensive rebranding: replacing its burning flame logo with a more innocent-looking flower and scrapping its "Keep Sweden Swedish" slogan. The Overton window has shifted so far that an indigenous people cannot even keep one small corner of the world to themselves without being called "radical". Anything short of enthusiastically cheering for your country to be reduced to an economic zone for the global population to compete in is now far right.

cycomanic 4y ago
>The Overton window has shifted so far that an indigenous people cannot even keep one small corner of the world to themselves without being called "radical". Anything short of enthusiastically cheering for your country to be reduced to an economic zone for the global population to compete in is now far right. What do you mean indigenous? Sami? SD doesn't not even think they are swedish.
eesmith 4y ago
"A return to pre-1975 immigration policy" is a poor argument for if something is radical or not. In 1975, Sweden did not allow same-sex marriage. It does now. I believe a repeal of same-sex marriage and forced dissolution of existing marriages would be a radical move in modern Sweden. The Abortion Act of 1974 "states that up until the end of the eighteenth week of the pregnancy, the choice of an abortion is entirely up to the woman, for any reason whatsoever". A return to the pre-1974 abortion policy (only "serious medical consideration" and "social medicinal grounds") would be a radical change, yes? (Quoting Wikipedia.) > an indigenous people In 1976 the the Swedish Parliament recognized the Sami as an indigenous population that had been in Sweden as long as or longer than the majority population. I believe a return to the pre-1975 laws regarding the Sami people (and lack of protections thereof) would also be considered radical in modern Sweden. Am I wrong? How does "Keep Sweden Swedish" affect the Sami? Are the Sami Swedish? For that matter, are you using the term "indigenous" correctly? From what I can tell, the Swedish government doesn't consider the majority population as an indigenous people. Google Translate of https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursprungsfolk https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursprungsfolk says: ] In the Swedish report "The Sami: an indigenous people in Sweden", indigenous people are defined as "people who are descended from ethnic groups that lived in the country at the time of the establishment of the current state borders and who have fully or partially retained their social, economic, cultural and political institutions"[3] That definition would mean the Swedish majority population are not indigenous.