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> their tools were unsurpassed Why the past tense? Which tools have been surpassed? Have Photoshop been surpassed? I am genuinely curious here. I take note of

by GuB-42 4y ago

> their tools were unsurpassed Why the past tense? Which tools have been surpassed? Have Photoshop been surpassed? I am genuinely curious here. I take note of Capture One, but is it an "acceptable yet technically inferior alternative that I picked because I don't agree with Adobe business practices" (which I think is a valid reason) or a viable alternative even for someone who doesn't have a problem dealing with Adobe and their subscription model.

base698 4y ago
I'm not a designer full time, but have dabbled over my career and in my youth used Photoshop and Premiere heavily. I'd say Pixelmator and Sketch were more approachable, discoverable and had better workflows. This made the combo of being easier to pick up than Adobe tools and more powerful for professionals. I was able to use Figma productively in my first day of using it. The added collaboration features with Figma's App preview mode and collaboration in the tool made me never look at anything else when I needed to design something.
exmadscientist 4y ago
Capture One and Lightroom are definitely fighting in the same class. Both are true pro-grade tools. Some people and some workflows will prefer one of the two, but that's how preferences work. It's basically Coke versus Pepsi.
- IIsi50MHz 4y ago
  > Coke versus Pepsi So, in double-blind tests, most people prefer the 'Pepsi' analogue, but when they know or think they know which one is the 'Coke' analogue, the choose that one? . o O ( I don't really know which is the Pepsi and which is the Coke, in this matchup. )
  - lmm 4y ago
    When drinking a small sample cup people prefer the sweeter taste of Pepsi, when drinking a whole can people prefer Coke.
fancy_pantser 4y ago
Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher have been a breath of fresh air for the last few years. They have you pay once, not a subscription. The features keep coming at a great pace while retaining a very sensible UI.
- alwillis 4y ago
  Couldn’t agree more. Reminds me of the early days when pro Mac software was well designed and reasonably priced; not the bloatware we get from Adobe and Microsoft today, for example.
- jeremycarter 4y ago
  I retired Fireworks CS6 for Affinity Designer. Took some strength - but I just did it cold turkey one day 4 years ago.
ajgrover 4y ago
I’ve been a Capture One user for several years and it’s a more powerful tool than Lightroom for sure. Layer capability removes the need to go to PS for most simple use cases. Their color tools were much better previously as well but LR has some major recent updates. I also like their session catalog model, but that’s optional and mostly personal preference. It’s not as well designed IMO, a bit more of a power user tool where you can tweak the UI to your liking, but in terms of functionality it’s as good or better than LR. Affinity Photo is also on the same level as PS, I don’t know about “surpassed” but Adobe is no longer the clear leader.
bayindirh 4y ago
Actually I'm using Darktable with great success for post processing my raw files on Linux and Mac. On the paid side Affinity & CaptureOne provide great alternatives.
scarecrowbob 4y ago
"Which tools have been surpassed? " Davinci Resolve is, for my use case, just as good as Premiere and Afx. It's also free. I wish gimp was as good as Ps.
- zeruch 4y ago
  I gave up GIMP for Krita years ago and have yet to see a reason to change (I still use Adobe as well, but for FOSS tools, Krita has stayed at the top for me)
  - Tesl 4y ago
    They don't do the same things?
    - lmm 4y ago
      They do much the same things - if anything Krita is a more direct replacement for Photoshop than Gimp is.
- chillfox 4y ago
  Davinci Resolve has a much better UI than Premiere, and the thought out workflow that’s built in is great.
emanuelez 4y ago
Disclaimer: Capture One employee here. That being said I invite anyone to try out the free trial and confirm or dis-confirm my claims. In my opinion Capture One best features are: 1) image and color quality 2) tethering capabilities 3) workflow customization and optimization
- medion 4y ago
  I want to move to Capture One... Is it a nightmare from Lightroom? Is there any migration automation?
- techpression 4y ago
  I’ve tried it for years and years, paid customer. Had issues with Sony files and now have issues with Nikon Z raw files. C1 generates artifacts in transitions, terrible ones. Filed a bug report and got met with the worst customer support in my life, “devs don’t wanna fix this, use ICC profiles”, as if ICC profiles would fix bad processing of the files… Which is sad because the software in general is a lot better than Lightroom, but your first point just isn’t true and that should be the primary thing to get right in a raw processor. Also, don’t conflate over sharpening and extra saturation for better quality (C1 defaults)
- antihero 4y ago
  Is there some sort of cloud storage integration? One thing I like about Lightroom CC is how seemlessly I can move between devices and not have to worry about having large HDDs and backups.
pkulak 4y ago
DxO destroys Lightroom, as far as I'm concerned.

by GuB-42 4y ago

base698 4y ago

I'm not a designer full time, but have dabbled over my career and in my youth used Photoshop and Premiere heavily. I'd say Pixelmator and Sketch were more approachable, discoverable and had better workflows. This made the combo of being easier to pick up than Adobe tools and more powerful for professionals. I was able to use Figma productively in my first day of using it. The added collaboration features with Figma's App preview mode and collaboration in the tool made me never look at anything else when I needed to design something.

exmadscientist 4y ago

Capture One and Lightroom are definitely fighting in the same class. Both are true pro-grade tools. Some people and some workflows will prefer one of the two, but that's how preferences work. It's basically Coke versus Pepsi.

IIsi50MHz 4y ago
> Coke versus Pepsi So, in double-blind tests, most people prefer the 'Pepsi' analogue, but when they know or think they know which one is the 'Coke' analogue, the choose that one? . o O ( I don't really know which is the Pepsi and which is the Coke, in this matchup. )
- lmm 4y ago
  When drinking a small sample cup people prefer the sweeter taste of Pepsi, when drinking a whole can people prefer Coke.

fancy_pantser 4y ago

Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher have been a breath of fresh air for the last few years. They have you pay once, not a subscription. The features keep coming at a great pace while retaining a very sensible UI.

alwillis 4y ago
Couldn’t agree more. Reminds me of the early days when pro Mac software was well designed and reasonably priced; not the bloatware we get from Adobe and Microsoft today, for example.
jeremycarter 4y ago
I retired Fireworks CS6 for Affinity Designer. Took some strength - but I just did it cold turkey one day 4 years ago.

ajgrover 4y ago

I’ve been a Capture One user for several years and it’s a more powerful tool than Lightroom for sure. Layer capability removes the need to go to PS for most simple use cases. Their color tools were much better previously as well but LR has some major recent updates. I also like their session catalog model, but that’s optional and mostly personal preference. It’s not as well designed IMO, a bit more of a power user tool where you can tweak the UI to your liking, but in terms of functionality it’s as good or better than LR. Affinity Photo is also on the same level as PS, I don’t know about “surpassed” but Adobe is no longer the clear leader.

bayindirh 4y ago

Actually I'm using Darktable with great success for post processing my raw files on Linux and Mac. On the paid side Affinity & CaptureOne provide great alternatives.

scarecrowbob 4y ago

"Which tools have been surpassed? " Davinci Resolve is, for my use case, just as good as Premiere and Afx. It's also free. I wish gimp was as good as Ps.

zeruch 4y ago
I gave up GIMP for Krita years ago and have yet to see a reason to change (I still use Adobe as well, but for FOSS tools, Krita has stayed at the top for me)
- Tesl 4y ago
  They don't do the same things?
  - lmm 4y ago
    They do much the same things - if anything Krita is a more direct replacement for Photoshop than Gimp is.
chillfox 4y ago
Davinci Resolve has a much better UI than Premiere, and the thought out workflow that’s built in is great.

emanuelez 4y ago

Disclaimer: Capture One employee here. That being said I invite anyone to try out the free trial and confirm or dis-confirm my claims. In my opinion Capture One best features are: 1) image and color quality 2) tethering capabilities 3) workflow customization and optimization

medion 4y ago
I want to move to Capture One... Is it a nightmare from Lightroom? Is there any migration automation?
techpression 4y ago
I’ve tried it for years and years, paid customer. Had issues with Sony files and now have issues with Nikon Z raw files. C1 generates artifacts in transitions, terrible ones. Filed a bug report and got met with the worst customer support in my life, “devs don’t wanna fix this, use ICC profiles”, as if ICC profiles would fix bad processing of the files… Which is sad because the software in general is a lot better than Lightroom, but your first point just isn’t true and that should be the primary thing to get right in a raw processor. Also, don’t conflate over sharpening and extra saturation for better quality (C1 defaults)
antihero 4y ago
Is there some sort of cloud storage integration? One thing I like about Lightroom CC is how seemlessly I can move between devices and not have to worry about having large HDDs and backups.

pkulak 4y ago

DxO destroys Lightroom, as far as I'm concerned.