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Here's another viewpoint for you to consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridatio

Here's another viewpoint for you to consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#... Unfortunately the article you linked doesn't read in a very balanced way. For instance: "If you were to injest a mere 2-5 grams of sodium fluoride (a common ingredient in toothpaste), you would probably die. The amount of fluoride in a typical tube of fluoride toothpaste is sufficient to kill a small child if it were consumed all at once." To ingest 'a mere' 2 grams at the WHO's guideline water fluoridation rate of 1.5mg/L would require drinking over 1300L of water (nearly two years' worth at 2L/day), and many other substances that are beneficial to (or even required by) the human body are toxic in large doses. As for toothpaste - well, it usually says clearly on the packaging that you shouldn't swallow it, and certainly not an entire tube at once. Likewise mouthwash, soap, etc.

adrianwaj 15y ago
Everything adds up. You take the fluoridated water, I'll take the spring water. Even as a kid, I could never work out fluoridated water: it was supposed to fix your teeth, but then it produced dental fluorosis. How moronic. If you want to mess with your pineal gland (amongst other things,) ingest fluoridated water.
- danparsonson 15y ago
  Well the point is really this: the evidence you're citing to suggest that fluoridation 'messes with your pineal gland' is dubious at best; consider the possibility that you may be mistaken. re: everything adding up - the human body is actually pretty efficient at disposing of toxins generally, so no, not everything adds up. I don't know whether or not this applies to fluorides though - are you aware of any research there?
  - adrianwaj 15y ago
    Dan - I'd prefer that you go and research if fluoride is healthy or not, the burden of proof that it is good/bad for you and in what amounts, is on you. I am happy with my decisions.
    - phren0logy 15y ago
      The question is not if you are happy with your decisions. The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation. In this circumstance, you are simply wrong about the dangers of fluoridated water. Your claims suggest an ignorance about fundamental tenets of pharmacology, and the importance of dose. It is not everyday knowledge, and everyone is ignorant about many things; I don't mean it as an insult. It does mean, though, that you should be careful about giving others advice.
      - adrianwaj 15y ago
        "The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation." Are you sure your sources on sodium fluoride being safe is not misinformation, and that rather I'm the one spreading misinformation? Have you researched opposing points of view? Beyond research, is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time? Have you tried spring water for any length of time, how does it make you feel? Oh hold on, I'm wrong about fluoridated water, and now my health is at risk for not having it.
        phren0logy 15y ago
        I'm a physician, and I read quite a bit of primary literature. I also know that there are great sources of info on the Internet, but many of them are not so great. I read this article, and a few linked from it, in the Journal of Public Health Dentistry, before I responded. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.2010.00171.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.2010.... How about you? Your argument, "is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time?" continues to expose your ignorance. Anything, even water, is toxic at the right concentrations. All substances can be poisons, but some at the right dose can be medicine. It is faulty to say that "if a lot is bad, then even a little is bad," just as much as it's wrong to say "if a little is good a lot must be great" like the vitamin mega-dose proponents say.
        adrianwaj 15y ago

adrianwaj 15y ago

Everything adds up. You take the fluoridated water, I'll take the spring water. Even as a kid, I could never work out fluoridated water: it was supposed to fix your teeth, but then it produced dental fluorosis. How moronic. If you want to mess with your pineal gland (amongst other things,) ingest fluoridated water.

danparsonson 15y ago
Well the point is really this: the evidence you're citing to suggest that fluoridation 'messes with your pineal gland' is dubious at best; consider the possibility that you may be mistaken. re: everything adding up - the human body is actually pretty efficient at disposing of toxins generally, so no, not everything adds up. I don't know whether or not this applies to fluorides though - are you aware of any research there?
- adrianwaj 15y ago
  Dan - I'd prefer that you go and research if fluoride is healthy or not, the burden of proof that it is good/bad for you and in what amounts, is on you. I am happy with my decisions.
  - phren0logy 15y ago
    The question is not if you are happy with your decisions. The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation. In this circumstance, you are simply wrong about the dangers of fluoridated water. Your claims suggest an ignorance about fundamental tenets of pharmacology, and the importance of dose. It is not everyday knowledge, and everyone is ignorant about many things; I don't mean it as an insult. It does mean, though, that you should be careful about giving others advice.
    - adrianwaj 15y ago
      "The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation." Are you sure your sources on sodium fluoride being safe is not misinformation, and that rather I'm the one spreading misinformation? Have you researched opposing points of view? Beyond research, is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time? Have you tried spring water for any length of time, how does it make you feel? Oh hold on, I'm wrong about fluoridated water, and now my health is at risk for not having it.
      - phren0logy 15y ago
        I'm a physician, and I read quite a bit of primary literature. I also know that there are great sources of info on the Internet, but many of them are not so great. I read this article, and a few linked from it, in the Journal of Public Health Dentistry, before I responded. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.2010.00171.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.2010.... How about you? Your argument, "is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time?" continues to expose your ignorance. Anything, even water, is toxic at the right concentrations. All substances can be poisons, but some at the right dose can be medicine. It is faulty to say that "if a lot is bad, then even a little is bad," just as much as it's wrong to say "if a little is good a lot must be great" like the vitamin mega-dose proponents say.
        adrianwaj 15y ago