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Unions are popular in fields like construction, medicine, teaching, etc because of: 1. The field otherwise would be chronically underpaid 2. The field is dang
by Test0129 4y ago
Unions are popular in fields like construction, medicine, teaching, etc because of:
1. The field otherwise would be chronically underpaid
2. The field is dangerous, or has a history of encouraging dangerous behavior
3. The field makes moving between jobs quickly hard
4. The field is antiquated, and the union is essentially a protection racket for prior skilled workers (this is very common in "older" fields).
Programming is none of these. Wages may be stagnating at the FAANGs but they certainly aren't anywhere else. My own experience with unions has me leary. In exchange for protection you mentioned we get:
1. Pitiful raises because they are no longer based on merit but "representation"
2. possibly better benefits
3. possibly better on call.
Given if I don't like a company I can mark "looking for work" on linkedin and get 30+ job offers in a week I see no purpose. The looking for work button is your union. Literally, just get a new job. Tech companies may enjoy the idea of a union. You end up getting journeyman programmers and often times they will be for less than what a merit rate would give. The key here is merit. A driver of our field. Since raises are given to everyone they are smaller. Those 30k+ pay bumps you get switching jobs? Gone. Busting your ass for a 10k raise at the end of the year because you merit it? Gone. Taking classes at the university? Gone, most college union work programs require you to join a union to even take the class. For what? Even "underpaid" programmers make 2x the average salary of almost any other field. You're going to have to convince people making 100k+ in a country where the average family makes 60k that they should unionize "for their own protection". It will never happen.
- ausbah 4y ago>Unions are popular in fields like construction, medicine, teaching, etc because of: 1. The field otherwise would be chronically underpaid what world are you living in where these are considered fairly compensated?
- Test0129 4y agoYou have a very funny definition of "fairly compensated" because both construction and medicine are 6 figure fields after 10 years in most occupations. I have a friend who is a journeyman pipefitter making 60k for all of 2 years of experience. That is comically overpaid for YoE in a field that requires all of 1 year of on the job training you don't even pay for.
- dannyw 4y ago60k a year for skilled labour is comically overpaid now? What?
- ausbah 4y agoteaching is pretty chronically underpaid. there's more to medicine than just doctors, nurse don't come out that great after adjusting for hours worked iirc. not sure how 60k is comically overpaid in any sane sense, coming from this field of all places where 6 figs out of college is pretty common
- dustinmoris 4y ago