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Of course. My point is that it's typically not a cloak and dagger situation described above, with an employee going to great technical lengths to hide their wh

Of course. My point is that it's typically not a cloak and dagger situation described above, with an employee going to great technical lengths to hide their whereabouts. Generally speaking, the immediate manager is aware and is pursuing a policy of willful ignorance. Often when rumors percolate to HR, HR will very quietly say that they don't want to know and to clean it up so they don't ever have to. I don't know of any companies attempting to actively document this kind of thing. They don't want to know, and they'll only respond if they are forced to acknowledge the situation.

kube-system 4y ago
Potentially the case, but this article was about two people who were going to great lengths to hide their whereabouts from their employers. > I don't know of any companies attempting to actively document this kind of thing. Well, not all companies tolerate casual lies, especially those that impact tax liability. At my organization, you'd be terminated for any willful lie in an instant based solely on a violation of trust... even if it didn't open the company to any tax or legal liability.
- throwaway09223 4y ago
  Certainly the official policy is that you'll be terminated. Almost every HR department would say this if asked. Reality is often different. Companies are diverse collections of many different people with a diversity of incentives who all enforce policies in very different ways. When these things happen there are many layers of management who will more often than not try to avoid the problem.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Maybe at a large org. I don't work at a large org. There is no difference in official policy and effective policy in an org where they are both controlled by the same person (or by a few people who closely agree) Also, there are larger organizations where matters of trust are a critical part of the job, there are operational safeguards in place to account for lapses in trustworthiness, and concerns surrounding this are taken more seriously.
    - throwaway09223 4y ago
      Sure. Every individual manager is different. I'm saying that, in general, this is extremely common throughout the industry.

kube-system 4y ago

Potentially the case, but this article was about two people who were going to great lengths to hide their whereabouts from their employers. > I don't know of any companies attempting to actively document this kind of thing. Well, not all companies tolerate casual lies, especially those that impact tax liability. At my organization, you'd be terminated for any willful lie in an instant based solely on a violation of trust... even if it didn't open the company to any tax or legal liability.

throwaway09223 4y ago
Certainly the official policy is that you'll be terminated. Almost every HR department would say this if asked. Reality is often different. Companies are diverse collections of many different people with a diversity of incentives who all enforce policies in very different ways. When these things happen there are many layers of management who will more often than not try to avoid the problem.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Maybe at a large org. I don't work at a large org. There is no difference in official policy and effective policy in an org where they are both controlled by the same person (or by a few people who closely agree) Also, there are larger organizations where matters of trust are a critical part of the job, there are operational safeguards in place to account for lapses in trustworthiness, and concerns surrounding this are taken more seriously.
  - throwaway09223 4y ago
    Sure. Every individual manager is different. I'm saying that, in general, this is extremely common throughout the industry.