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Try and get some non-fluoridated water too, sodium fluoride is neurotoxic - move to Europe or http://findaspring.com http://findaspring.com. "Drinking fluorida

Try and get some non-fluoridated water too, sodium fluoride is neurotoxic - move to Europe or http://findaspring.com http://findaspring.com. "Drinking fluoridated water is linked with reduced cognitive ability in children. There are also over 30 animal studies showing that fluoride is a neurotoxin which reduces learning and memory. Essentially, fluoride makes you a bit less intelligent." http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/07/whats-the-deal-with-fluoride/ http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/07/whats-the-deal-with...

danparsonson 15y ago
Here's another viewpoint for you to consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#... Unfortunately the article you linked doesn't read in a very balanced way. For instance: "If you were to injest a mere 2-5 grams of sodium fluoride (a common ingredient in toothpaste), you would probably die. The amount of fluoride in a typical tube of fluoride toothpaste is sufficient to kill a small child if it were consumed all at once." To ingest 'a mere' 2 grams at the WHO's guideline water fluoridation rate of 1.5mg/L would require drinking over 1300L of water (nearly two years' worth at 2L/day), and many other substances that are beneficial to (or even required by) the human body are toxic in large doses. As for toothpaste - well, it usually says clearly on the packaging that you shouldn't swallow it, and certainly not an entire tube at once. Likewise mouthwash, soap, etc.
- adrianwaj 15y ago
  Everything adds up. You take the fluoridated water, I'll take the spring water. Even as a kid, I could never work out fluoridated water: it was supposed to fix your teeth, but then it produced dental fluorosis. How moronic. If you want to mess with your pineal gland (amongst other things,) ingest fluoridated water.
  - danparsonson 15y ago
    Well the point is really this: the evidence you're citing to suggest that fluoridation 'messes with your pineal gland' is dubious at best; consider the possibility that you may be mistaken. re: everything adding up - the human body is actually pretty efficient at disposing of toxins generally, so no, not everything adds up. I don't know whether or not this applies to fluorides though - are you aware of any research there?
    - adrianwaj 15y ago
      Dan - I'd prefer that you go and research if fluoride is healthy or not, the burden of proof that it is good/bad for you and in what amounts, is on you. I am happy with my decisions.
      - phren0logy 15y ago
        The question is not if you are happy with your decisions. The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation. In this circumstance, you are simply wrong about the dangers of fluoridated water. Your claims suggest an ignorance about fundamental tenets of pharmacology, and the importance of dose. It is not everyday knowledge, and everyone is ignorant about many things; I don't mean it as an insult. It does mean, though, that you should be careful about giving others advice.
        adrianwaj 15y ago
        "The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation." Are you sure your sources on sodium fluoride being safe is not misinformation, and that rather I'm the one spreading misinformation? Have you researched opposing points of view? Beyond research, is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time? Have you tried spring water for any length of time, how does it make you feel? Oh hold on, I'm wrong about fluoridated water, and now my health is at risk for not having it.
        phren0logy 15y ago
sireat 15y ago
Please, research your topic more carefully. I would be hesitant to depend on Steve's conclusions, this is a man who believes number 11 rules his life: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/02/1111/ http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/02/1111/
- richardw 15y ago
  I think he's intentionally seeing how far he can take his readers before they call BS. That article is possibly his greatest work in the genre, thanks for posting it.
- adrianwaj 15y ago
  Speaking of research, check this out: "Nationwide, pharmaceutical manufacturers routinely pay medical professionals..State-employed doctors and researchers are generally no exception, though they are supposed to comply with their individual institutions' conflict-of-interest policies." "Beginning in March, federal law will require drug and device companies to report and disclose all of their payments to medical professionals and researchers; by September, the data is supposed to be displayed in a searchable online government database." http://preventdisease.com/news/11/112811_Doctors-Researchers-and-Medical-Experts-Routinely-Paid-Off-By-Pharmaceutical-Companies.shtml http://preventdisease.com/news/11/112811_Doctors-Researchers... So who do you trust for health information, agents of pharmaceutical companies, or self-help experts?

danparsonson 15y ago

Here's another viewpoint for you to consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#Safety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy#... Unfortunately the article you linked doesn't read in a very balanced way. For instance: "If you were to injest a mere 2-5 grams of sodium fluoride (a common ingredient in toothpaste), you would probably die. The amount of fluoride in a typical tube of fluoride toothpaste is sufficient to kill a small child if it were consumed all at once." To ingest 'a mere' 2 grams at the WHO's guideline water fluoridation rate of 1.5mg/L would require drinking over 1300L of water (nearly two years' worth at 2L/day), and many other substances that are beneficial to (or even required by) the human body are toxic in large doses. As for toothpaste - well, it usually says clearly on the packaging that you shouldn't swallow it, and certainly not an entire tube at once. Likewise mouthwash, soap, etc.

adrianwaj 15y ago
Everything adds up. You take the fluoridated water, I'll take the spring water. Even as a kid, I could never work out fluoridated water: it was supposed to fix your teeth, but then it produced dental fluorosis. How moronic. If you want to mess with your pineal gland (amongst other things,) ingest fluoridated water.
- danparsonson 15y ago
  Well the point is really this: the evidence you're citing to suggest that fluoridation 'messes with your pineal gland' is dubious at best; consider the possibility that you may be mistaken. re: everything adding up - the human body is actually pretty efficient at disposing of toxins generally, so no, not everything adds up. I don't know whether or not this applies to fluorides though - are you aware of any research there?
  - adrianwaj 15y ago
    Dan - I'd prefer that you go and research if fluoride is healthy or not, the burden of proof that it is good/bad for you and in what amounts, is on you. I am happy with my decisions.
    - phren0logy 15y ago
      The question is not if you are happy with your decisions. The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation. In this circumstance, you are simply wrong about the dangers of fluoridated water. Your claims suggest an ignorance about fundamental tenets of pharmacology, and the importance of dose. It is not everyday knowledge, and everyone is ignorant about many things; I don't mean it as an insult. It does mean, though, that you should be careful about giving others advice.
      - adrianwaj 15y ago
        "The question is about the ethics of spreading misinformation." Are you sure your sources on sodium fluoride being safe is not misinformation, and that rather I'm the one spreading misinformation? Have you researched opposing points of view? Beyond research, is it common sense to ingest a known neuro and bone toxin at any level for any length of time? Have you tried spring water for any length of time, how does it make you feel? Oh hold on, I'm wrong about fluoridated water, and now my health is at risk for not having it.
        phren0logy 15y ago

sireat 15y ago

Please, research your topic more carefully. I would be hesitant to depend on Steve's conclusions, this is a man who believes number 11 rules his life: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/02/1111/ http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/02/1111/

richardw 15y ago
I think he's intentionally seeing how far he can take his readers before they call BS. That article is possibly his greatest work in the genre, thanks for posting it.
adrianwaj 15y ago
Speaking of research, check this out: "Nationwide, pharmaceutical manufacturers routinely pay medical professionals..State-employed doctors and researchers are generally no exception, though they are supposed to comply with their individual institutions' conflict-of-interest policies." "Beginning in March, federal law will require drug and device companies to report and disclose all of their payments to medical professionals and researchers; by September, the data is supposed to be displayed in a searchable online government database." http://preventdisease.com/news/11/112811_Doctors-Researchers-and-Medical-Experts-Routinely-Paid-Off-By-Pharmaceutical-Companies.shtml http://preventdisease.com/news/11/112811_Doctors-Researchers... So who do you trust for health information, agents of pharmaceutical companies, or self-help experts?