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I learned on Java and I really feel like it slowed me down in some fundamentals of programming logic. Books were raving about garbage collection, JVM, "everyth

by Timpy 4y ago

I learned on Java and I really feel like it slowed me down in some fundamentals of programming logic. Books were raving about garbage collection, JVM, "everything is an object"; I had no idea what any of that meant or why it would make Java "superior". Boilerplate like `public static void main(String[] args)` got me into the habit of ignoring things I didn't understand. The netbeans IDE was doing a lot of great quality-of-life stuff like handling imports for me and as a consequence I had a very poor understanding of how any of that worked. When you don't know how to write a for-loop yet things like accessor methods, pointers, or encapsulation are going to go way over your head.

Aperocky 4y ago
Java is great for learning OOP and certain design patterns, but eludes all other programming knowledge. They are 'encapsulated'.
- ithrow 4y ago
  You could say the same for Python/Ruby/Javascript or most high-level languages that rely on a VM.
the_doctah 4y ago
It took me forever to understand what the heck the Java classpath was.
- Gibbon1 4y ago
  One of my heresy's is I think things like classpaths are an antipattern. In that determining the location of files and other resources should be a separate process. One that's explicit and debuggable.
  - the-alchemist 4y ago
    Funny enough, that's exactly why the Clojure community created deps.edn [0]. - optional dependencies - use JARs on disk, local projects that build JARs, or Maven Central - pull in code from git repo via url and git hash or tag ("git dependencies") - different variations for the above for different targets (run, test, integration-test, etc.) [0]: https://clojure.org/guides/deps_and_cli https://clojure.org/guides/deps_and_cli
jjice 4y ago
My highschool "Intro to Programming" class teacher (she is a wonderful woman) would say out loud "string box args" to have us memorize the boiler plate. Needless to say, we never even got to loops in that class.

by Timpy 4y ago

Aperocky 4y ago

Java is great for learning OOP and certain design patterns, but eludes all other programming knowledge. They are 'encapsulated'.

ithrow 4y ago
You could say the same for Python/Ruby/Javascript or most high-level languages that rely on a VM.

the_doctah 4y ago

It took me forever to understand what the heck the Java classpath was.

Gibbon1 4y ago
One of my heresy's is I think things like classpaths are an antipattern. In that determining the location of files and other resources should be a separate process. One that's explicit and debuggable.
- the-alchemist 4y ago
  Funny enough, that's exactly why the Clojure community created deps.edn [0]. - optional dependencies - use JARs on disk, local projects that build JARs, or Maven Central - pull in code from git repo via url and git hash or tag ("git dependencies") - different variations for the above for different targets (run, test, integration-test, etc.) [0]: https://clojure.org/guides/deps_and_cli https://clojure.org/guides/deps_and_cli

jjice 4y ago

My highschool "Intro to Programming" class teacher (she is a wonderful woman) would say out loud "string box args" to have us memorize the boiler plate. Needless to say, we never even got to loops in that class.