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Exactly right. People choose to give these companies power over them; they choose to submit to tyranny. Nobody can ban me from email, or from my own website.

bombcar 4y ago
They can, it just takes extra steps and so probably won’t happen as nobody is likely to run a coordinated campaign to do it.
- leephillips 4y ago
  How would it work? I mean, I can imagine framing me for a felony and getting me banned from internet access as part of my sentence, but are there less extreme procedures? EDIT: Maybe breaking into my email server and sending out spam to poison my IP. That’s conceivable, and would partially ban me from sending out email.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    DDOS, reporting your server/domain for TOS violations, etc. As long as nobody cares enough to do it, it probably won’t happen. Just never piss off the wrong person.
    - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
      That said, how much costs ddos?
ranger_danger 4y ago
That's not entirely accurate. For email see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32715437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32715437 For website see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32706673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32706673
- leephillips 4y ago
  Neither one of those are counterexamples. One guy decided to give up solving his deliverability problems (problems I don’t have after self-hosting my email for 20 years). Nobody banned him. The second example is cloudflare banning a site. I don’t (and wouldn’t) use cloudflare, and even in that case, nobody banned anybody from his own website—just from cloudfare.
  - ranger_danger 4y ago
    Regarding email, it's still possible for practically every other mailserver on the Internet to block messages from you, effectively banning you. That's what happened to OP I believe. On the second one you might want to look further into that case... people have been frantically going after every possible company that does any business with them trying to get them off the internet, whether that's hosting providers, DDoS protection services, IP allocation providers, upstream ISPs, nameservers, domain registrars, etc.

bombcar 4y ago

They can, it just takes extra steps and so probably won’t happen as nobody is likely to run a coordinated campaign to do it.

leephillips 4y ago
How would it work? I mean, I can imagine framing me for a felony and getting me banned from internet access as part of my sentence, but are there less extreme procedures? EDIT: Maybe breaking into my email server and sending out spam to poison my IP. That’s conceivable, and would partially ban me from sending out email.
- bombcar 4y ago
  DDOS, reporting your server/domain for TOS violations, etc. As long as nobody cares enough to do it, it probably won’t happen. Just never piss off the wrong person.
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    That said, how much costs ddos?

ranger_danger 4y ago

That's not entirely accurate. For email see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32715437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32715437 For website see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32706673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32706673

leephillips 4y ago
Neither one of those are counterexamples. One guy decided to give up solving his deliverability problems (problems I don’t have after self-hosting my email for 20 years). Nobody banned him. The second example is cloudflare banning a site. I don’t (and wouldn’t) use cloudflare, and even in that case, nobody banned anybody from his own website—just from cloudfare.
- ranger_danger 4y ago
  Regarding email, it's still possible for practically every other mailserver on the Internet to block messages from you, effectively banning you. That's what happened to OP I believe. On the second one you might want to look further into that case... people have been frantically going after every possible company that does any business with them trying to get them off the internet, whether that's hosting providers, DDoS protection services, IP allocation providers, upstream ISPs, nameservers, domain registrars, etc.