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Individual rights do not trump collective rights in all cases. If I have the right to shoot a gun, that does not mean I have the right to shoot a gun while peop
by LadyCailin 4y ago
Individual rights do not trump collective rights in all cases. If I have the right to shoot a gun, that does not mean I have the right to shoot a gun while people are down range. This lack of nuance in your argument is absurd. The selfish part is suggesting that your individual rights trump everyone else’s rights.
Specific individual rights can and do trump collective rights, but this is a conversation we have to have as a society. For instance, if I am down range, my individual right trumps everyone’s right to fire a gun down that range. It’s the flip side of the same coin. Positive freedoms are zero sum with negative freedoms. Realizing that is step one to having a productive conversation about these things.
Once we get past that fact, by realizing that it is zero sum, and your individual right takes away some collective right (and vice versa) we can look at specific instances and debate those. But when the conversation begins with “you’re taking away my rights”, the rest of the conversation is guaranteed to be unproductive, because, depending on your perspective, both outcomes take away someone’s rights.
- brigandish 4y ago> Individual rights do not trump collective rights in all cases. I agree, though: a) I didn't make that claim b) You may as well just say "one right does not always trump another", which is just as true and more insightful Which makes this part: > This lack of nuance in your argument is absurd. actually absurd. And this part: > The selfish part is suggesting that your individual rights trump everyone else’s rights. as I've already pointed out, is not something I claimed. This was my claim: “To protect or support one individual's rights is to protect or support everyone's individual rights." Perhaps you'd like to try again, and this time actually address me with some respect, not least by actually replying to what was written and not what is most convenient to you in the fantasy argument you've spilled out from your head.