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Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vac

Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vaccines aren’t a platform that can be triggered to do different things. It does use RNA which is cool because it allows for more rapid changes. The vaccine will mostly work with a wide variety of RNA payloads with the only difference being the exact antibodies it encourages. In a few decades that might mean we could start developing and deploying vaccines in weeks. But rna doesn’t last long. It’s pretty unstable so the only thing getting updated is your bodies natural immune response

uwagar 4y ago
u are just reinforcing my understanding. so payloads, triggering and 'specific' products are all real. surely 'bugs' in this sequence are inevitable too with maybe devastating consequences for which no one is liable. who is to say the boosters are not updates that sneak in backdoors with additional 'features'? + these vaccines are peddled by for profit companies that refuse to share IP and emergency approved by govt agencies that have these company officers on their boards.... sorry, i refuse this workflow that treats my body like a phone that needs constant 'security' updates.
- kube-system 4y ago
  > companies that refuse to share IP That only means they have an exclusive right to manufacture the vaccine. It doesn’t mean that the details are secret. For example: https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding-mRNA-sequences-for-vaccines-BNT-162b2-and-mRNA-1273/blob/main/Figure1Figure2_032321.fasta https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV...
- space_fountain 4y ago
  Did you get flu updates in the past? What about yearly physicals? Obviously I’m not going to convince you, but I would like to invite you to wonder what the difference is. RNA tech is potentially scary, but the idea that vaccines are secretly doing something else is a bit silly. For one thing the number of people who can “decompile” the vaccine is pretty large. I believe there have been some research papers on it even and beyond that biology is pretty limited. You’d need a lot more than is in the vaccine to do anything more than your run of the mill virus does to you dozens of times a year and honestly a lot less than some because it can’t modify your dna, it can’t save itself anywhere.
elcritch 4y ago
Technically uwagar is correct, if perhaps overestimating the capability of the "payload". The mRNA could in theory produce a wide array of proteins. Personally I'm excited by the potential for treatments for other conditions using mRNA tech, with research on autoimmune conditions already progressing. Also it's probably possible already to develop and deploy vaccines in weeks, though safety and efficacy tests trials still take months.
nullish_signal 4y ago
That's not how CLASSICAL vaccines work They changed the definition of "vaccine" to include the new mRNA technology
- VMG 4y ago
  anything that doesn't involve cows is not a classical vaccine
- space_fountain 4y ago
  Hum, it pretty much is how classic attenuated vaccines worked, except here we are directly controlling the rna that gets stuck in your cells rather than trying to evolve the virus a bit and then stick it in you

uwagar 4y ago

u are just reinforcing my understanding. so payloads, triggering and 'specific' products are all real. surely 'bugs' in this sequence are inevitable too with maybe devastating consequences for which no one is liable. who is to say the boosters are not updates that sneak in backdoors with additional 'features'? + these vaccines are peddled by for profit companies that refuse to share IP and emergency approved by govt agencies that have these company officers on their boards.... sorry, i refuse this workflow that treats my body like a phone that needs constant 'security' updates.

kube-system 4y ago
> companies that refuse to share IP That only means they have an exclusive right to manufacture the vaccine. It doesn’t mean that the details are secret. For example: https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding-mRNA-sequences-for-vaccines-BNT-162b2-and-mRNA-1273/blob/main/Figure1Figure2_032321.fasta https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV...
space_fountain 4y ago
Did you get flu updates in the past? What about yearly physicals? Obviously I’m not going to convince you, but I would like to invite you to wonder what the difference is. RNA tech is potentially scary, but the idea that vaccines are secretly doing something else is a bit silly. For one thing the number of people who can “decompile” the vaccine is pretty large. I believe there have been some research papers on it even and beyond that biology is pretty limited. You’d need a lot more than is in the vaccine to do anything more than your run of the mill virus does to you dozens of times a year and honestly a lot less than some because it can’t modify your dna, it can’t save itself anywhere.

elcritch 4y ago

Technically uwagar is correct, if perhaps overestimating the capability of the "payload". The mRNA could in theory produce a wide array of proteins. Personally I'm excited by the potential for treatments for other conditions using mRNA tech, with research on autoimmune conditions already progressing. Also it's probably possible already to develop and deploy vaccines in weeks, though safety and efficacy tests trials still take months.

nullish_signal 4y ago

That's not how CLASSICAL vaccines work They changed the definition of "vaccine" to include the new mRNA technology

VMG 4y ago
anything that doesn't involve cows is not a classical vaccine
space_fountain 4y ago
Hum, it pretty much is how classic attenuated vaccines worked, except here we are directly controlling the rna that gets stuck in your cells rather than trying to evolve the virus a bit and then stick it in you