so tried some googling and this old article conflates the two, so I'm now even more confused https://www.developer.com/java/ejb/sun-forte-for-java-and-netbeans

so tried some googling and this old article conflates the two, so I'm now even more confused https://www.developer.com/java/ejb/sun-forte-for-java-and-netbeans-developer-community-thriving/ https://www.developer.com/java/ejb/sun-forte-for-java-and-ne...