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This post completely blows off & tells people who keep feeling something that they are wrong & unjustified, that since we're not fully sure we can believe them
by rektide 4y ago
This post completely blows off & tells people who keep feeling something that they are wrong & unjustified, that since we're not fully sure we can believe them & it's not worth regarding their cases as real.
I not humbly disagree. I dont see how we could ever even begin to be a society if we allow mistrust & rejection of possibilities to be the primary shaper of our opinions & positions. The refusal to regard here is actively harmful.
> I read some of the “Long COVID” studies a while back, and they all included things like anxiety, depression, and mental state weeks or months after testing positive for COVID. Linking this to COVID is an example of bad science.
Yo, what? Excuse you? You're going to disregard people's reports & assessments, call it bad science, just throw up correlation does not equal causation qed & pretend like the job is done? People feel like shit, have incredibly fuzzy brain states for a while after covid. Even those who physically (aerobically) recover still doubt how healed their are, are anxious because the brain still feels behind. Maybe some of this anxiety you disregard is because they are never sure if they ever will really truly ever recover; this has felt like shit to me and Im never sure Im back to who I was before this ordeal. That seems widely reported, real to me & I'd expect some familiarity with thay from others. That feeling of brain fog is real, that worrying & anxiety is real although perhaps not directly entirely attributable, but a serious & clear & inarguable & concerning secondary effect that we frankly dont have a ton of good data to help people fully through. Even if we did have the data, people are still allowed to be afraid. Afraid of flying, afraid of escallators, afraid their bloody mind is scrambled & not really recovering like it should be.
Sorry comrade but science aint always so simple & clear & direct. Finding out can be hard. Just because the facts dont conveniently line up to make sometbing clear right away doesnt give you license to disresged, to ignore possibly real information. There's a word for argumentation that tries to make information in general less believed, less real: disinformation. Please dont border so close to being actively denialist of possoble validity.
- whatshisface 4y agoLook, it might be annoying, but if it weren't for that kind of attitude they'd have already discovered all the science and written all of the software a few thousand years ago in Babylon and we'd be out of work.
- bheadmaster 4y ago> This post completely blows off & tells people who keep feeling something that they are wrong & unjustified, that since we're not fully sure we can believe them & it's not worth regarding their cases as real. No, it does not. It's just saying that anxiety and depression are completely normal reactions to the global pandemic crisis. If someone is claiming that "long" COVID is a thing, they need to have better evidence than "people are depressed and anxious". The rest of your post is written in a confrontational attitude that I don't even want to read.
- iudqnolq 4y ago> The rest of your post is written in a confrontational attitude that I don't even want to read. That's a shame. I felt the same way when I started reading your post, but I did finish it. That's how I know you'd benefit from reading a little further - they go on to explain what you're missing.
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- rektide 4y ago> It's just saying that anxiety and depression are completely normal reactions to the global pandemic crisis. You forgot "mental state" in that list of things the person said were almost certainly not covid & shouldnt be believed or trusted as being a part of long covid. > The rest of your post is written in a confrontational attitude that I don't even want to read. The original @fsociety999 parent was "confrontational" against reports & beliefs that are widely reported & I dont want to read that disinformation & cruel hot take skepticism either. But I did & I responded, because it matters & even the bad, especially the bad, needs addressing. My post is far from perfect & saintly & I absolutely could do better, but this was actively disdainful posting making up preffered causes & excuses to disregard what seems like quite possibly real & evident meaning.
- ryanobjc 4y agoI came here to read and basically make this comment. The GP was very dismissive - or at least cast FUD on the whole notion. We are in this place where we are the best experts about our own body, yet at the same time that experience and knowledge is being cast doubt on because ... why exactly? Why is it so hard to take people seriously? Other comments in here seem to be basically like "well you were fragile/brain weird before so whatever I guess". Just remember, every person who is struggling after a bout of COVID and not feeling right... that is a person, that could be your friend, parent, sibling, loved one... Ultimately the proper response imo is "that is really concerning and we should do more research" rather than "well this happens after every illness". Which is "true" but also not really true, simply because long covid is way more prevalent than lingering symptoms after EB, the flu, colds, etc.
- jokethrowaway 4y agoThat was already happening before COVID. I'm not surprised that people are more depressed and anxious after 2 years of no fun, no social interaction and being locked up in their homes. Calling it "long COVID" is just another piece of disinformation trying to make COVID look bigger than what it is.
- t0bia_s 4y agoAlso covering narrative of "great" and "safe" experimental vaccines.