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I feel like if we don’t keep up and learn this new skill. We will soon fall behind.

ddevault 4y ago
Copilot is a crutch that prevents learning. You are not falling behind. "Catching up" by using this tool will only land you in a lawsuit for copyright infringement.
- visarga 4y ago
  Who copyrights individual bash commands?
  - ddevault 4y ago
    No one; I'm referring generally to Copilot and similar tools. But god, who needs an AI to write their fucking shell commands?
    - visarga 4y ago
      It would be cool if it could learn to recover from failures and try other approaches until it gets the job done, and in the end verify it was correct. The security implications are huge, though.
- zarzavat 4y ago
  This is the “spell checkers cause bad spelling” fallacy. People learn by being told they are wrong. When you use copilot you are constantly being given examples that challenge your intuition. Maybe copilot is wrong, maybe you are wrong, either you are learning more with it on than with it off. Countless programmers get stuck in a rut writing the same bad code over and over again because nobody tells them it’s wrong. And it doesn’t matter if you’ve been programming for 1 month or 20 years, we all have something to learn.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Spell checkers do cause bad spelling, though. My spelling was once excellent (literally spelling bee kid), and after years of spellcheck, it's not only a lot worse, but I also often use the wrong word because it passed spellcheck - either because the wrong word is spelled similarly to the right word, or because the right word isn't in the spellcheck dictionary so I assumed I was wrong. I don't know how you can tell me that my spelling has actually improved, and that I'm learning something from spellcheck other than not to worry about spelling things correctly because the computer will do it. edit: By the same reasoning, you could argue that people are better at remembering phone numbers now because their cellphones remind them of the numbers every time they make a call. It would be a vaguely plausible theory before cellphones were widespread, but obviously false with experience.

Copilot is a crutch that prevents learning. You are not falling behind. "Catching up" by using this tool will only land you in a lawsuit for copyright infringement.

visarga 4y ago
Who copyrights individual bash commands?
- ddevault 4y ago
  No one; I'm referring generally to Copilot and similar tools. But god, who needs an AI to write their fucking shell commands?
  - visarga 4y ago
    It would be cool if it could learn to recover from failures and try other approaches until it gets the job done, and in the end verify it was correct. The security implications are huge, though.
zarzavat 4y ago
This is the “spell checkers cause bad spelling” fallacy. People learn by being told they are wrong. When you use copilot you are constantly being given examples that challenge your intuition. Maybe copilot is wrong, maybe you are wrong, either you are learning more with it on than with it off. Countless programmers get stuck in a rut writing the same bad code over and over again because nobody tells them it’s wrong. And it doesn’t matter if you’ve been programming for 1 month or 20 years, we all have something to learn.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Spell checkers do cause bad spelling, though. My spelling was once excellent (literally spelling bee kid), and after years of spellcheck, it's not only a lot worse, but I also often use the wrong word because it passed spellcheck - either because the wrong word is spelled similarly to the right word, or because the right word isn't in the spellcheck dictionary so I assumed I was wrong. I don't know how you can tell me that my spelling has actually improved, and that I'm learning something from spellcheck other than not to worry about spelling things correctly because the computer will do it. edit: By the same reasoning, you could argue that people are better at remembering phone numbers now because their cellphones remind them of the numbers every time they make a call. It would be a vaguely plausible theory before cellphones were widespread, but obviously false with experience.