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But there is a correlation, that's the point of the article, isn't it? :-)

mdorazio 4y ago
The article presents zero real evidence to show that Long Covid is more than what would be expected from all the confounding factors as a result of the pandemic more broadly (anxiety, lack of social contact, losing a job, being stuck inside and not exercising for an entire year, constant FUD, psychosomatic symptoms from reading about Long Covid being a big thing, etc.). I and many others don't doubt that Long Covid is real for some people, but the degree to which it's supposedly presenting (30% of infections claimed in this article) seems really odd without some kind of controlled study. I'd like to see something comparing Long Covid rates in people whose lives were minimally impacted by the pandemic (if such people exist - maybe in countries that didn't lock down?) to those whose lives were significantly impacted.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Long Covid is basically the same as ME/CFS which is also real and existed prior to the pandemic.
  - mdorazio 4y ago
    That's kind of the point. ME/CFS is poorly understood and likely has many causes not directly stemming from viral illnesses. If it existed prior to Covid in seemingly large numbers, it seems pretty likely that people with pre-existing ME/CFS have now decided it's Long Covid, or that the same poorly defined causes have now impacted more people.
    - cjbgkagh 4y ago
      As I’ve stated elsewhere, many LongCovid cohorts are finding that 30% of them have hEDS which is technically considered rare (1/5000) but is actually not rare somewhere between 2% and 1% of general population. Many of those people would have got ME/CFS anyway from some other cause. Also because it’s indistinguishable and there is a stigma attached to ME/CFS many people are claiming to have LongCovid instead. In my view the only difference is the quantity of afflicted people is much higher.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  I read one study that compared brains scans of people before and after covid and found brain damage. I don't recall it but maybe you want to dig it up on Google.
  - mdorazio 4y ago
    I think you mean this one? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00503-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00503-x The effect is basically non-existent in people under age 55. And I'd love to see them do a follow-up study since the scans were done fairly soon after infection recovery whereas there's decent evidence that for some people full recovery might take many months.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      Sure, it needs to be studied more. But it's not encouraging.

The article presents zero real evidence to show that Long Covid is more than what would be expected from all the confounding factors as a result of the pandemic more broadly (anxiety, lack of social contact, losing a job, being stuck inside and not exercising for an entire year, constant FUD, psychosomatic symptoms from reading about Long Covid being a big thing, etc.). I and many others don't doubt that Long Covid is real for some people, but the degree to which it's supposedly presenting (30% of infections claimed in this article) seems really odd without some kind of controlled study. I'd like to see something comparing Long Covid rates in people whose lives were minimally impacted by the pandemic (if such people exist - maybe in countries that didn't lock down?) to those whose lives were significantly impacted.

cjbgkagh 4y ago
Long Covid is basically the same as ME/CFS which is also real and existed prior to the pandemic.
- mdorazio 4y ago
  That's kind of the point. ME/CFS is poorly understood and likely has many causes not directly stemming from viral illnesses. If it existed prior to Covid in seemingly large numbers, it seems pretty likely that people with pre-existing ME/CFS have now decided it's Long Covid, or that the same poorly defined causes have now impacted more people.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    As I’ve stated elsewhere, many LongCovid cohorts are finding that 30% of them have hEDS which is technically considered rare (1/5000) but is actually not rare somewhere between 2% and 1% of general population. Many of those people would have got ME/CFS anyway from some other cause. Also because it’s indistinguishable and there is a stigma attached to ME/CFS many people are claiming to have LongCovid instead. In my view the only difference is the quantity of afflicted people is much higher.
hackerlight 4y ago
I read one study that compared brains scans of people before and after covid and found brain damage. I don't recall it but maybe you want to dig it up on Google.
- mdorazio 4y ago
  I think you mean this one? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00503-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00503-x The effect is basically non-existent in people under age 55. And I'd love to see them do a follow-up study since the scans were done fairly soon after infection recovery whereas there's decent evidence that for some people full recovery might take many months.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    Sure, it needs to be studied more. But it's not encouraging.