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In practice, I think there needs to be a physical trail no matter what. It needs to be both verifiable, anonymous, and auditable by parties all at the same time
by MiddleEndian 4y ago
In practice, I think there needs to be a physical trail no matter what. It needs to be both verifiable, anonymous, and auditable by parties all at the same time, and that can and should be done with paper. I say this as someone who otherwise detests paperwork, I only check my mail once every month or two.
Being more secure than banks is not enough, because banks are not 100% anonymous, and you can fix banking errors days, months, or even years later. With voting, you don't want to have a trail of who voted for whom.
In my state, Massachusetts, we use physical machines that scan the votes as they go in, and count them and return a tally at the end of the day. Personally, I wish we just counted them manually, but at least they're not connected to the internet I guess, and there's always physical ballots that can be counted in the issue of a challenge or conflict.
The main advantage to using machines, in our current system, is that they're faster. But who cares? You get your results at the end of the evening vs at the end of the week? There's no real urgency there, officials don't take office until some time after that.
But just to play devil's advocate against myself: I do think that liquid democracy, where people could dynamically vote for politicians/delegates (either carte blanche or certain delegates for certain categories and others for others), individual bills, and such on the fly, would be an interesting use of voting online if you were to make a new political system entirely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_democracy
I just think there's no way to implement this properly.
- just_boost_it 4y agoI completely agree that there's no rush to get a final count of votes. It's really hard to invisibly corrupt the thousands of people involved in counting. Software might be visible so it can be audited by whomever, but then is it even the same software as what's on the machine? You become reliant on a small number of technicians to operate the system, and a small number of people is much easier to corrupt. I find it hard to believe in total democracy. Sure, there's probably a small number of issues you would pay close attention to, but most people would be like "the internet freedom act?, heck yes I like internet freedom". Or, worse, they could just sell their votes, putting a minority of informed voters against a majority of bots that can now make legally binding decisions. Say what you will about representative democracy, but at least those people have to vote visibly and might get called to account for anything the vote for (by being voted out themselves).