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Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.

by kcplate 4y ago

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
- armada651 4y ago
  > mandated vaccines They were mandated? That's news to me. I'm pretty sure the OSHA mandates never went into effect.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    They might live in Germany, where not being vaccinated essentially barred you from public life.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    US Military has a vaccine mandate in effect. Last I looked, most branches of the service were filled with younger folks.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  You really need to define "significant". Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable. During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care? If you really think more young people were killed by vaccines than Covid, well, your pamphlet better have some really fucking compelling research backing it.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    > You really need to define "significant" How about Any number that is greater than the pre-pandemic average for persons that age before the vaccines Also, if your standard is going to be “temporary” and “easily treatable” as core components of “insignificant risk” for the vaccines…that would also apply to COVID itself in most people under the age of 50. But…I think your equation could have some value if the vaccines were effective at preventing covid infection. However, since they don’t, and they don’t appear to diminish hospitalization risk of covid for younger people (like older people), but the vaccines do have a statistical increase on more pericarditis and myocarditis, logic would dictate that there is a possible slight negative risk by younger folk getting the vaccine. Especially for males.
  - FullStackAda 4y ago
    While pericarditis and myocarditis are not immediately fatal/morbid, we should not just hand wave it away. I got all my vac+booster, but I was better off knowing that there are some potential and serious side effects. Knowing about rare but fatal vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia helped me to be more certain in my preference for the MRNA vaccine, even with myocarditis risks.

Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago

armada651 4y ago
> mandated vaccines They were mandated? That's news to me. I'm pretty sure the OSHA mandates never went into effect.
- concordDance 4y ago
  They might live in Germany, where not being vaccinated essentially barred you from public life.
- kcplate 4y ago
  US Military has a vaccine mandate in effect. Last I looked, most branches of the service were filled with younger folks.
EdwardDiego 4y ago
You really need to define "significant". Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable. During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care? If you really think more young people were killed by vaccines than Covid, well, your pamphlet better have some really fucking compelling research backing it.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > You really need to define "significant" How about Any number that is greater than the pre-pandemic average for persons that age before the vaccines Also, if your standard is going to be “temporary” and “easily treatable” as core components of “insignificant risk” for the vaccines…that would also apply to COVID itself in most people under the age of 50. But…I think your equation could have some value if the vaccines were effective at preventing covid infection. However, since they don’t, and they don’t appear to diminish hospitalization risk of covid for younger people (like older people), but the vaccines do have a statistical increase on more pericarditis and myocarditis, logic would dictate that there is a possible slight negative risk by younger folk getting the vaccine. Especially for males.
- FullStackAda 4y ago
  While pericarditis and myocarditis are not immediately fatal/morbid, we should not just hand wave it away. I got all my vac+booster, but I was better off knowing that there are some potential and serious side effects. Knowing about rare but fatal vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia helped me to be more certain in my preference for the MRNA vaccine, even with myocarditis risks.