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The page isn't very clear on this, but it looks to me like these are the terms for the 4th booster program. So this does not necessarily say anything about init

The page isn't very clear on this, but it looks to me like these are the terms for the 4th booster program. So this does not necessarily say anything about initial vaccinations, but about who to boost this fall/winter. In terms of mortality, the boosters have a significant effect for the elderly. For younger people without serious risk factors the immunity seems to keep longer and mortality is very low after only two or three vaccinations.

kcplate 4y ago
Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  - armada651 4y ago
    > mandated vaccines They were mandated? That's news to me. I'm pretty sure the OSHA mandates never went into effect.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      They might live in Germany, where not being vaccinated essentially barred you from public life.
    - kcplate 4y ago
      US Military has a vaccine mandate in effect. Last I looked, most branches of the service were filled with younger folks.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    You really need to define "significant". Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable. During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care? If you really think more young people were killed by vaccines than Covid, well, your pamphlet better have some really fucking compelling research backing it.
    - kcplate 4y ago
      > You really need to define "significant" How about Any number that is greater than the pre-pandemic average for persons that age before the vaccines Also, if your standard is going to be “temporary” and “easily treatable” as core components of “insignificant risk” for the vaccines…that would also apply to COVID itself in most people under the age of 50. But…I think your equation could have some value if the vaccines were effective at preventing covid infection. However, since they don’t, and they don’t appear to diminish hospitalization risk of covid for younger people (like older people), but the vaccines do have a statistical increase on more pericarditis and myocarditis, logic would dictate that there is a possible slight negative risk by younger folk getting the vaccine. Especially for males.
    - FullStackAda 4y ago
      While pericarditis and myocarditis are not immediately fatal/morbid, we should not just hand wave it away. I got all my vac+booster, but I was better off knowing that there are some potential and serious side effects. Knowing about rare but fatal vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia helped me to be more certain in my preference for the MRNA vaccine, even with myocarditis risks.
morpheuskafka 4y ago
Yeah, I had the same question. Maybe that is just such a small demographic there that they didn't think it needed to be explicitly clarified. It does clearly say that for <18, primary series vaccines stopped in July of this year. So it doesn't seem out of the question that they would stop them for adults too. My guess is that the relatively few people people there who never got one and now changed their minds could still get one from a doctor, but will not be target by whatever clinics they are using for fall re-vaccinations.
_fizz_buzz_ 4y ago
Has this been updated since the new BA.1 and the BA.4/.5 booster have been approved in the EU? Because currently e.g. Germany has the same recommendation but it is expected to be updated in the next few days since they started rolling out the omikron boosters.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  Croatia recently opened Omicron vaccine availability to all adults.
mcjiggerlog 4y ago
It's not just Denmark, either. Here in Spain the second booster jab is planned to only be given to the over 60s. Source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2022-09-08/asi-sera-la-cuarta-dosis-de-la-vacuna-frente-al-coronavirus-que-empezara-a-administrarse-este-mes.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2022-09-08/asi-sera-la-cuarta-do...

kcplate 4y ago

Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
- armada651 4y ago
  > mandated vaccines They were mandated? That's news to me. I'm pretty sure the OSHA mandates never went into effect.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    They might live in Germany, where not being vaccinated essentially barred you from public life.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    US Military has a vaccine mandate in effect. Last I looked, most branches of the service were filled with younger folks.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  You really need to define "significant". Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable. During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care? If you really think more young people were killed by vaccines than Covid, well, your pamphlet better have some really fucking compelling research backing it.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    > You really need to define "significant" How about Any number that is greater than the pre-pandemic average for persons that age before the vaccines Also, if your standard is going to be “temporary” and “easily treatable” as core components of “insignificant risk” for the vaccines…that would also apply to COVID itself in most people under the age of 50. But…I think your equation could have some value if the vaccines were effective at preventing covid infection. However, since they don’t, and they don’t appear to diminish hospitalization risk of covid for younger people (like older people), but the vaccines do have a statistical increase on more pericarditis and myocarditis, logic would dictate that there is a possible slight negative risk by younger folk getting the vaccine. Especially for males.
  - FullStackAda 4y ago
    While pericarditis and myocarditis are not immediately fatal/morbid, we should not just hand wave it away. I got all my vac+booster, but I was better off knowing that there are some potential and serious side effects. Knowing about rare but fatal vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia helped me to be more certain in my preference for the MRNA vaccine, even with myocarditis risks.

morpheuskafka 4y ago

Yeah, I had the same question. Maybe that is just such a small demographic there that they didn't think it needed to be explicitly clarified. It does clearly say that for <18, primary series vaccines stopped in July of this year. So it doesn't seem out of the question that they would stop them for adults too. My guess is that the relatively few people people there who never got one and now changed their minds could still get one from a doctor, but will not be target by whatever clinics they are using for fall re-vaccinations.

_fizz_buzz_ 4y ago

Has this been updated since the new BA.1 and the BA.4/.5 booster have been approved in the EU? Because currently e.g. Germany has the same recommendation but it is expected to be updated in the next few days since they started rolling out the omikron boosters.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
Croatia recently opened Omicron vaccine availability to all adults.

mcjiggerlog 4y ago

It's not just Denmark, either. Here in Spain the second booster jab is planned to only be given to the over 60s. Source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2022-09-08/asi-sera-la-cuarta-dosis-de-la-vacuna-frente-al-coronavirus-que-empezara-a-administrarse-este-mes.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2022-09-08/asi-sera-la-cuarta-do...