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There's been a lot of articles lately talking about how all those previously easy to live areas have become less livable due to... well people moving there. Th

There's been a lot of articles lately talking about how all those previously easy to live areas have become less livable due to... well people moving there. The root cause is demand > supply. That's it. Everything gets more expensive, and those who can get paid a lot do, and everyone else has to make do. Texas yes, but tell me about Austin... and how it has all the same problems of the bay area now, entirely because people moved there.

keneda7 4y ago
Do you think it is people moving or do you think it is people moving and then voting in people to enact the same policies as the location they moved from? If person A leaves a location because of crap/idiotic policies/laws, moves to a new location, then votes in people that will institute those same crap/idiotic policies/laws the just fled again, is person A not the problem?
- rrix2 4y ago
  could you point to some examples of this happening?
  - keneda7 4y ago
    Off the top of my head, Texas. Texas was a majority solid red for a long time. Now a massive influx of has made multiple seats that historically have been safely red, competitive, or even flip to blue. Look at the places people are moving to in Texas then look at those locations elections.
    - rrix2 4y ago
      I understand that there is a demographic shift in urban centers outside of the coasts. I meant: can you point to any policy changes after these demographic shifts which have lead to an up-tick of NIMBY/anti-housing regulations in these areas like what is seen in SF?
      - keneda7 4y ago
        I honestly don't pay close attention to NIMBY/anti-house regulations anywhere outside northern California to notice. I should have been more clear I was not specifically talking about that. In this case I was thinking primarily of crime and some of the DA in Texas's big cities. Dallas in particular I remember a DA was elected that pissed off a lot of people on the right by stopping prosecution of lesser offences and setting low bails. The right argues that leads to more crime until its a common place.
bacchusracine 4y ago
>Texas yes, but tell me about Austin... and how it has all the same problems of the bay area now, entirely because people moved there. Austin you say? Now just where did all those people in Austin come from one wonders...
JamesBarney 4y ago
The root cause is demand > supply. But the important part is supply not demand. Austin is liberal like SF and is known for restricting housing supply. 2.3 million people live in Houston, and only a million live in Austin yet Houston is far cheaper to live in than Austin.
rayiner 4y ago
The equation has two terms: supply and demand. So it’s not just “people moving there” (demand), but also how easy it is to create housing (supply). Texas makes it much cheaper and easier to create housing than does California. If it was demand alone then California housing prices should be going down because people are moving from California to Texas. It’s also about what kind of industries each state chooses to cultivate. Economies based on knowledge work magnify class and racial disparities because they have high barriers to entry and tend to produce winner-take-all stratification. That directly produces the highly stratified and segregated environment you see in SF and NYC.

keneda7 4y ago

Do you think it is people moving or do you think it is people moving and then voting in people to enact the same policies as the location they moved from? If person A leaves a location because of crap/idiotic policies/laws, moves to a new location, then votes in people that will institute those same crap/idiotic policies/laws the just fled again, is person A not the problem?

rrix2 4y ago
could you point to some examples of this happening?
- keneda7 4y ago
  Off the top of my head, Texas. Texas was a majority solid red for a long time. Now a massive influx of has made multiple seats that historically have been safely red, competitive, or even flip to blue. Look at the places people are moving to in Texas then look at those locations elections.
  - rrix2 4y ago
    I understand that there is a demographic shift in urban centers outside of the coasts. I meant: can you point to any policy changes after these demographic shifts which have lead to an up-tick of NIMBY/anti-housing regulations in these areas like what is seen in SF?
    - keneda7 4y ago
      I honestly don't pay close attention to NIMBY/anti-house regulations anywhere outside northern California to notice. I should have been more clear I was not specifically talking about that. In this case I was thinking primarily of crime and some of the DA in Texas's big cities. Dallas in particular I remember a DA was elected that pissed off a lot of people on the right by stopping prosecution of lesser offences and setting low bails. The right argues that leads to more crime until its a common place.

bacchusracine 4y ago

>Texas yes, but tell me about Austin... and how it has all the same problems of the bay area now, entirely because people moved there. Austin you say? Now just where did all those people in Austin come from one wonders...

JamesBarney 4y ago

The root cause is demand > supply. But the important part is supply not demand. Austin is liberal like SF and is known for restricting housing supply. 2.3 million people live in Houston, and only a million live in Austin yet Houston is far cheaper to live in than Austin.

rayiner 4y ago

The equation has two terms: supply and demand. So it’s not just “people moving there” (demand), but also how easy it is to create housing (supply). Texas makes it much cheaper and easier to create housing than does California. If it was demand alone then California housing prices should be going down because people are moving from California to Texas. It’s also about what kind of industries each state chooses to cultivate. Economies based on knowledge work magnify class and racial disparities because they have high barriers to entry and tend to produce winner-take-all stratification. That directly produces the highly stratified and segregated environment you see in SF and NYC.