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No, I'm really certain I'm not committing crimes. Living a rather boring life, where I work almost non-stop and use the internet. Many of the laws you are refer

No, I'm really certain I'm not committing crimes. Living a rather boring life, where I work almost non-stop and use the internet. Many of the laws you are referring to are basically dead laws. You couldn't convict someone if you tried.

0x457 4y ago
You telling you never got a cent that you haven't reported to IRS? Doubt it.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  Not American, taxes are paid automatically.
  - 0x457 4y ago
    Taxes are not paid automatically, regardless where you are, on transactions like: - Sold something in person for cash - Gifts over a certain amount depending on the country - Bartered items and services - Gambling winnings - Forgiven debt
iudqnolq 4y ago
Have you ever deposited a large sum of cash less than $10,000 in a bank account? Whether or not that's a crime depends on the state of your mind when you did it, which can be hard for you to produce to defend yourself.
- Minor49er 4y ago
  It would be up to a plaintiff to prove that they knew his state of mind at the time of the deposit
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    You mean the prosecution, and in theory you're right. Yet in practice many jury members believe their job is to find their best guess of the truth, not hold the state to their burden. So if you can't present evidence in your own defense you can still loose. Plus, the process is sufficient punishment. Before you're acquitted you may lose your job and have to spend large amounts of money.
Arrath 4y ago
Three Felonies a Day is a very interesting read, and I highly recommend it. https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-audiobook/dp/B07J488Q3B https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-audiobook/dp/B07J4... > Many of the laws you are referring to are basically dead laws. You couldn't convict someone if you tried. That is really immaterial to the discussion, as charges being brought alone can royally fuck up a life, whether or not a conviction is made in the end.
- mercutio2 4y ago
  The title of the book has been repeatedly debunked, applies mainly to professionals who are far from the average American, conflates federal crimes with felonies, and is off by one to two orders of magnitude for the cases that are likely to adhere to the average professional. I'm still a fan of reducing the complexity of the legal code and enormously circumscribing plea bargaining false-confession-ammunition, so it's not like I'm not aligned with the overall libertarian impulse here, but I disagree that this is a good book.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  In most countries when a law is basically dead it means they won't even file charges. Prosecutors are overloaded and they don't have all the bag of tricks US prosecutors have for reducing the number of trials so charging an ancient law is one way of increasing your trial count. However, it seems rather odd that I say I have nothing I need to hide I just have things I want to hide. People are insisting I must have somethign I need to hide. This is where I think many activists screw up. They're too busy trying to push their framing of the issue on to people. Instead of getting behind the idea that people have stuff they don't want others to know, which we all do, it seems everyone here is busy talking about the need to hide illegal stuff because what they currently do might become illegal. That isn't going to wash with most people. Most people are going to be againist it because now you're keeping privacy in the mindset of committing crimes and all these privacy tools aren't for keeping your personal secrets but for committing crimes. Who wants to support these crimes? Especially when instantly the other side talks about child porn. It's like how when the protests in the US kicked off in 2020. They framed it as black lives matter which instantly allowed detractors to point out that white people are killed by police more often and silence them. If it wasn't just framed as a racial thing and instead of a police brutality problem against all people, it could have gone further.

0x457 4y ago

You telling you never got a cent that you haven't reported to IRS? Doubt it.

that_guy_iain 4y ago
Not American, taxes are paid automatically.
- 0x457 4y ago
  Taxes are not paid automatically, regardless where you are, on transactions like: - Sold something in person for cash - Gifts over a certain amount depending on the country - Bartered items and services - Gambling winnings - Forgiven debt

iudqnolq 4y ago

Have you ever deposited a large sum of cash less than $10,000 in a bank account? Whether or not that's a crime depends on the state of your mind when you did it, which can be hard for you to produce to defend yourself.

Minor49er 4y ago
It would be up to a plaintiff to prove that they knew his state of mind at the time of the deposit
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  You mean the prosecution, and in theory you're right. Yet in practice many jury members believe their job is to find their best guess of the truth, not hold the state to their burden. So if you can't present evidence in your own defense you can still loose. Plus, the process is sufficient punishment. Before you're acquitted you may lose your job and have to spend large amounts of money.

Arrath 4y ago

Three Felonies a Day is a very interesting read, and I highly recommend it. https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-audiobook/dp/B07J488Q3B https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-audiobook/dp/B07J4... > Many of the laws you are referring to are basically dead laws. You couldn't convict someone if you tried. That is really immaterial to the discussion, as charges being brought alone can royally fuck up a life, whether or not a conviction is made in the end.

mercutio2 4y ago
The title of the book has been repeatedly debunked, applies mainly to professionals who are far from the average American, conflates federal crimes with felonies, and is off by one to two orders of magnitude for the cases that are likely to adhere to the average professional. I'm still a fan of reducing the complexity of the legal code and enormously circumscribing plea bargaining false-confession-ammunition, so it's not like I'm not aligned with the overall libertarian impulse here, but I disagree that this is a good book.
that_guy_iain 4y ago
In most countries when a law is basically dead it means they won't even file charges. Prosecutors are overloaded and they don't have all the bag of tricks US prosecutors have for reducing the number of trials so charging an ancient law is one way of increasing your trial count. However, it seems rather odd that I say I have nothing I need to hide I just have things I want to hide. People are insisting I must have somethign I need to hide. This is where I think many activists screw up. They're too busy trying to push their framing of the issue on to people. Instead of getting behind the idea that people have stuff they don't want others to know, which we all do, it seems everyone here is busy talking about the need to hide illegal stuff because what they currently do might become illegal. That isn't going to wash with most people. Most people are going to be againist it because now you're keeping privacy in the mindset of committing crimes and all these privacy tools aren't for keeping your personal secrets but for committing crimes. Who wants to support these crimes? Especially when instantly the other side talks about child porn. It's like how when the protests in the US kicked off in 2020. They framed it as black lives matter which instantly allowed detractors to point out that white people are killed by police more often and silence them. If it wasn't just framed as a racial thing and instead of a police brutality problem against all people, it could have gone further.