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There is one thing worst than fructose: fat + fructose. There was a study where some kids with fatty liver replaced most fructose with glucose and the liver fa

There is one thing worst than fructose: fat + fructose. There was a study where some kids with fatty liver replaced most fructose with glucose and the liver fat was severely decreased. Fructose + fat seems to be the most destructive thing in practice.

swayvil 4y ago
You're talking about pie. Pie is poison. Apple pie, cherry pie, peach pie. Home-made by grandma with her own wrinkly hands. Poison. That's a hard pill to swallow.
- oifjsidjf 4y ago
  These pies are a new invention. Humanity has never eaten so much carbs + fats at the same time as we do now. The fact that your dear grandma makes it does not make it less poisonus. Even our grandparents eat totaly different foods nowadays then people 200 years ago do, so even though grandma is old compared to us, she is still a very young compared to human evolution and our dietary changes.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    maybe not the combination but fat is very essential in early human diets so it stands to reason we are pretty fucking good at processing them (barring the frankenfoods produced by hydrogenated fats). We never encountered the quantities of sugar that we encounter now in foods now however. They took out the fat and put in sugar to keep it taste in man-made concoctions like "low fat ___________"
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  Wasn't grandma using cane sugar?
  - swayvil 4y ago
    Ya but the fruit is full of fructose.
- pieter_mj 4y ago
  Nobody was fat when grannie was a little bit younger and ate her own pies, litteraly nobody.
  - skhr0680 4y ago
    That was all the smoking and lack of micro plastics
  - badpun 4y ago
    When you read US novels about 1920s and 1930s, there are actually fat characters in them.
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      The meaning of ”fat” is also very different from the contemporary.
- monopoliessuck 4y ago
  Historically and for most people, pies were baked as a way to stretch foodstuffs. "Sugars" were added to make meat and other ingredients that turn sooner more palatable. Lots of baking before refrigeration was done with an eye toward food preservation. Sugar as a fungible and fiber-free isolated ingredient made dessert baking more economical and of course we love sugar naturally so demand skyrocketed. The Caribbean slave trade and the decades of indentured servitude that followed was really pushed by new high demand for sugars. Pies got sweeter and more decadent. People aren't today baking turtle or rabbit into their pies with a few dried apples for flavor. They're wrapping syrupy fruit in fat and flour -- or in some cases just making pies with sugar fluff alone. Grandma herself is generations removed from the original rationale for pie and we're even more so. You're right, pie is a blight today despite being oh-so-nostalgic. You don't need to seek out something so obviously sickly sweet as grandma's cherry pie to find issue though. Pasta sauce, bread and even processed meat contain far more sugar than at any time in history. Fruits and vegetables are even sweeter due to our crop selection and our meat contains more fat per gram of protein because of our farming methodology. Just by eating an ordinary American lunch today, we probably take in in something more nutritionally similar to our former generation's special weekly indulgence than their evening meal; literal pie is just the cherry on top.

swayvil 4y ago

You're talking about pie. Pie is poison. Apple pie, cherry pie, peach pie. Home-made by grandma with her own wrinkly hands. Poison. That's a hard pill to swallow.

oifjsidjf 4y ago
These pies are a new invention. Humanity has never eaten so much carbs + fats at the same time as we do now. The fact that your dear grandma makes it does not make it less poisonus. Even our grandparents eat totaly different foods nowadays then people 200 years ago do, so even though grandma is old compared to us, she is still a very young compared to human evolution and our dietary changes.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  maybe not the combination but fat is very essential in early human diets so it stands to reason we are pretty fucking good at processing them (barring the frankenfoods produced by hydrogenated fats). We never encountered the quantities of sugar that we encounter now in foods now however. They took out the fat and put in sugar to keep it taste in man-made concoctions like "low fat ___________"
actionfromafar 4y ago
Wasn't grandma using cane sugar?
- swayvil 4y ago
  Ya but the fruit is full of fructose.
pieter_mj 4y ago
Nobody was fat when grannie was a little bit younger and ate her own pies, litteraly nobody.
- skhr0680 4y ago
  That was all the smoking and lack of micro plastics
- badpun 4y ago
  When you read US novels about 1920s and 1930s, there are actually fat characters in them.
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    The meaning of ”fat” is also very different from the contemporary.
monopoliessuck 4y ago
Historically and for most people, pies were baked as a way to stretch foodstuffs. "Sugars" were added to make meat and other ingredients that turn sooner more palatable. Lots of baking before refrigeration was done with an eye toward food preservation. Sugar as a fungible and fiber-free isolated ingredient made dessert baking more economical and of course we love sugar naturally so demand skyrocketed. The Caribbean slave trade and the decades of indentured servitude that followed was really pushed by new high demand for sugars. Pies got sweeter and more decadent. People aren't today baking turtle or rabbit into their pies with a few dried apples for flavor. They're wrapping syrupy fruit in fat and flour -- or in some cases just making pies with sugar fluff alone. Grandma herself is generations removed from the original rationale for pie and we're even more so. You're right, pie is a blight today despite being oh-so-nostalgic. You don't need to seek out something so obviously sickly sweet as grandma's cherry pie to find issue though. Pasta sauce, bread and even processed meat contain far more sugar than at any time in history. Fruits and vegetables are even sweeter due to our crop selection and our meat contains more fat per gram of protein because of our farming methodology. Just by eating an ordinary American lunch today, we probably take in in something more nutritionally similar to our former generation's special weekly indulgence than their evening meal; literal pie is just the cherry on top.