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Yeah. Medical procedures, like abortions in the states, are a very real example of how things can dramatically change on a whim to an unbelievable level. Or syn

by bgro 4y ago

Yeah. Medical procedures, like abortions in the states, are a very real example of how things can dramatically change on a whim to an unbelievable level. Or syncing your cycle data to a smart device and later having a retro-scan to detect cycle anomalies to charge women with probable crimes. We do that with speed cameras, why not just automate health data mining too? Why did you stop updating your cycle data, is it because you knew you were pregnant and wanted an abortion? Sounds like suspicious activity to me, exactly identical to turning around at a DUI checkpoint.

shabbatt 4y ago
What I find most ironic is that those people who are now realizing the same privacy platforms they used to defend with "I have nothing to hide" are the ones complying against their interests. It's a poignant example of what others have pointed out. "I have nothing to hide" until political landscape changes to make it something to hide. It's like people pushing for liberal drug laws and legalizing homeless tents and then one day its in their backyard. While I feel for women part of groups that are impacted by Roe vs Wade being overturned, their apathy against privacy concerns have boomeranged, the same of which proportion of men who aren't having to deal with abortion are looking at this issue as "I don't need an abortion so it doesn't concern me". Those women caught up in this struggle also looked on, along with men and everybody else as Uyghur women were sterilized and forced to abort using the very surveillance mechanism that were developed and custom tailored to fit the needs of the abusers. It's almost like the land of CCP is a testing ground for what's in store for Western civilization. Remember what caused Latin America's shift towards tyranny and dictatorship, it was inflation. Nothing about our land that makes it any less susceptible or resilient. Inflation has deep remifications to privacy and this Roe vs Wade situation is only the beginning.
- blep_ 4y ago
  > men who aren't having to deal with abortion are looking at this issue as "I don't need an abortion so it doesn't concern me". ... maybe we shouldn't have spent years telling them they weren't allowed to have an opinion because it didn't concern them.
  - Andrex 4y ago
    Was there a Pope of Abortion Rights that pronounced such an edict? As a man, I haven't encountered this in an abortion discussion, but it sounds like something an asshole would say and I try not to hang out with assholes.
    - blep_ 4y ago
      I've heard variations on it many times, usually by the people who frame it entirely as "right to choose" (-> "if you're not capable of getting pregnant you have no right to input on this"). I get what they're going for, conceptually, but wow that is not how you get allies. It turns out assholes come in all genders.
  - shabbatt 4y ago
    > ... maybe we shouldn't have spent years telling them they weren't allowed to have an opinion because it didn't concern them. that never stopped women from doing what they want. you are completely brushing past the main issue which is apathy towards privacy which is not remotely related to women's rights portrayed by mainstream media and your language generalizes 100+ years of women, who regardless societal expectations, went on their own because they believed they had same rights as any other human. It's sad that the same spirit is now being used as shields to derail completely unrelated issues that by mere association of gender, calls for a complete review of a certain political lens that we are all familiar with. Save us the grace here honey.
HWR_14 4y ago
> Medical procedures, like abortions in the states, are a very real example of how things can dramatically change on a whim to an unbelievable level. Change, but not retroactively.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  This assumes the rule of law holds. America has a pretty good track record in this regard, better than most countries I think, but there can be no guarantees for the future.
0x457 4y ago
> exactly identical to turning around at a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone actually got in trouble for that? I turned around those checkpoints all the time because it's just faster to go around.
- giantg2 4y ago
  Sometimes they pull over people Turing around
- OneLeggedCat 4y ago
  Oh hell yes they do. At least on rural highways in the Southeastern US.
  - porknubbins 4y ago
    You don’t get in trouble just for turning around, I think its that turning around gets you pulled over and breathalyzed and you get in trouble for DUI. I realize this is kind of a classic “why worry if you have nothing to hide” argument, but everything is a balance and I’m ok with this intrusion to reduce DUI deaths. It is not equivalent to other privacy invasions.

by bgro 4y ago

shabbatt 4y ago

What I find most ironic is that those people who are now realizing the same privacy platforms they used to defend with "I have nothing to hide" are the ones complying against their interests. It's a poignant example of what others have pointed out. "I have nothing to hide" until political landscape changes to make it something to hide. It's like people pushing for liberal drug laws and legalizing homeless tents and then one day its in their backyard. While I feel for women part of groups that are impacted by Roe vs Wade being overturned, their apathy against privacy concerns have boomeranged, the same of which proportion of men who aren't having to deal with abortion are looking at this issue as "I don't need an abortion so it doesn't concern me". Those women caught up in this struggle also looked on, along with men and everybody else as Uyghur women were sterilized and forced to abort using the very surveillance mechanism that were developed and custom tailored to fit the needs of the abusers. It's almost like the land of CCP is a testing ground for what's in store for Western civilization. Remember what caused Latin America's shift towards tyranny and dictatorship, it was inflation. Nothing about our land that makes it any less susceptible or resilient. Inflation has deep remifications to privacy and this Roe vs Wade situation is only the beginning.

blep_ 4y ago
> men who aren't having to deal with abortion are looking at this issue as "I don't need an abortion so it doesn't concern me". ... maybe we shouldn't have spent years telling them they weren't allowed to have an opinion because it didn't concern them.
- Andrex 4y ago
  Was there a Pope of Abortion Rights that pronounced such an edict? As a man, I haven't encountered this in an abortion discussion, but it sounds like something an asshole would say and I try not to hang out with assholes.
  - blep_ 4y ago
    I've heard variations on it many times, usually by the people who frame it entirely as "right to choose" (-> "if you're not capable of getting pregnant you have no right to input on this"). I get what they're going for, conceptually, but wow that is not how you get allies. It turns out assholes come in all genders.
- shabbatt 4y ago
  > ... maybe we shouldn't have spent years telling them they weren't allowed to have an opinion because it didn't concern them. that never stopped women from doing what they want. you are completely brushing past the main issue which is apathy towards privacy which is not remotely related to women's rights portrayed by mainstream media and your language generalizes 100+ years of women, who regardless societal expectations, went on their own because they believed they had same rights as any other human. It's sad that the same spirit is now being used as shields to derail completely unrelated issues that by mere association of gender, calls for a complete review of a certain political lens that we are all familiar with. Save us the grace here honey.

HWR_14 4y ago

> Medical procedures, like abortions in the states, are a very real example of how things can dramatically change on a whim to an unbelievable level. Change, but not retroactively.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
This assumes the rule of law holds. America has a pretty good track record in this regard, better than most countries I think, but there can be no guarantees for the future.

0x457 4y ago

> exactly identical to turning around at a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone actually got in trouble for that? I turned around those checkpoints all the time because it's just faster to go around.

giantg2 4y ago
Sometimes they pull over people Turing around
OneLeggedCat 4y ago
Oh hell yes they do. At least on rural highways in the Southeastern US.
- porknubbins 4y ago
  You don’t get in trouble just for turning around, I think its that turning around gets you pulled over and breathalyzed and you get in trouble for DUI. I realize this is kind of a classic “why worry if you have nothing to hide” argument, but everything is a balance and I’m ok with this intrusion to reduce DUI deaths. It is not equivalent to other privacy invasions.