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That sounds quite pleasant, but I wonder who is storing their home directories on NTFS?

• Macha 4y ago
  I considered this in the past. Linux support for NTFS is much better than any of the mechanisms to read ext3/4/btrfs/etc on Windows/Mac. Your options for a Windows/Mac/Linux portable filesystem are basically exFAT or NTFS. That said, now I use LUKS on Linux and Bitlocker on Windows, I've mostly just given up on a shared filesystem
  • yrro 4y ago
    How do the Linux-specific properties of files get stored on NTFS (e.g., file owner/group/mode?)
    • bzxcvbn 4y ago
      NTFS ACLs are much more powerful than Unix permissions. Just map users to users, groups to groups, and you're done.
      • yrro 4y ago
        How? ACL subjects are identified by SIDs not by UID/GID.
        • bzxcvbn 4y ago
          As I said, set up a mapping between users/groups and the corresponding notion in NTFS. An UID/GID will correspond to an SID and vice versa.
    • zerocrates 4y ago
      ntfs-3g (is that still how Linux machines are mounting NTFS read/write? it's been a while since I've done it) by default just doesn't do anything with the NTFS permissions and makes everything have a shared owner/group/mode as seen by Linux. You can opt in to having it store Linux permissions in NTFS's ACLs, and there's an option to have a file that maps between Linux and Windows user IDs to allow for interoperability.
      • pantalaimon 4y ago
        > is that still how Linux machines are mounting NTFS read/write ntfs-3g is a FUSE based driver (and not much maintained anymore), Linux now has a fully featured kernel driver with ntfs3 - which is also what TFA is about. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/ntfs3.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/ntfs3.htm...
        • zerocrates 4y ago
          Oh yes, of course, so it is (what the article is about). Oops. Documentation for ntfs3 is a little thin on the ground.
  • CoolCold 4y ago
    I have not tried personally (have no Linux installed), but from docs it should be quite possible to mount your partition of Linux with WSL2. Google for "WSL mount". May work on latest Windows 11 only though.
    • Macha 4y ago
      Does that mount the FS into the WSL2 VM or into the Windows host? I'm guessing it's the former
      • CoolCold 4y ago
        Yeah, but as WSL is exposed back to Windows, this should make it accessible too. Not tried myself though.
• wheybags 4y ago
  I guess nobody ATM, but if the support for NTFS becomes really good then why not use it as your root fs? It's truly battle hardened (the fs, not this particular implementation necessarily), and it is really nice to use an fs that is supported in both Linux and windows if you're dual booting.
  • cma 4y ago
    Isn't NTFS incapable of caching as well or something due to extra layers of indirection, and that is why git is so slow (10-100X) on windows? Or is it another part of windows that slows it down? (Edit: seems to be a combination https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/873#issuecomment-425272829 https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/873#issuecomment-425... )
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    • Mindless2112 4y ago
      "NTFS really isn't that bad" -- https://web.archive.org/web/https://lca2020.linux.org.au/schedule/presentation/38/ https://web.archive.org/web/https://lca2020.linux.org.au/sch...
    • HideousKojima 4y ago
      NTFS has poor performance with lots of small files.
      • marwis 4y ago
        That's Windows VFS layer. If you bypass it and read disk structures directly it's wicked fast. There are many file tools that do it such as Everything and WizTree.
    • selfhoster11 4y ago
      Real-time antivirus scanning likely doesn't help. Most Linux users are unlikely to have this running in the background.