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It's because people get a really large amount of value out of real (or near-real) time discussion- in many cases more than they get out of archival reference. F

It's because people get a really large amount of value out of real (or near-real) time discussion- in many cases more than they get out of archival reference. Forums slow down the interaction time drastically. I'm plenty old enough to remember using forums and subsequently switching to chat, and the ability to work through things and problem solve increased massively. Not being able to find things later is, well, a problem for later, so it gets deprioritized vs the problems of now. This forum channels thing might be a middle ground that gives the possibility of free flowing interactions but with structure, and indexing as a possibility.

derefr 4y ago
> Not being able to find things later is, well, a problem for later, so it gets deprioritized vs the problems of now. Who said anything about finding things later? I want a forum because, for niche topics/questions, slow+indexed is the only way to hope anyone will be able to answer my question at all. I can ask a question on a forum and maybe be answered a week later, by someone who's looking through older open threads under the expectation that they can still be of help; or I can ask a question in a chatroom and the people who know aren't online, chat continues, when they come online they've missed it, and so I get my response never. It's a key difference in assumptions, mostly due to different etiquette. When you solve a problem you asked about in a forum thread, you tend to say that. So a forum thread that remains open with no replies is effectively "left hanging", with the author still likely to be interested in an answer. So, for the people who offer help in such forums, there can be value in looking through old open forum threads / solving "cold cases." Meanwhile, chat messages are sort of "drive-by" things, where you'll write a thing, and then, if nobody responds, leave and never come back. You were hoping for an immediate response; you didn't get it; so you gave up. There's no expectation of someone ever coming back, or seeing a response given much later; so people don't try to offer them.
- moepstar 4y ago
  ...as well as the tiring dance of having to explain things over and over and... In an ideal world, if i haven't found an answer from a previous thread on my own, i could be gently nudged into the right direction. Mind you, i've been around on IRC for a very long time and know how tiring it can get to basically get asked the same question in different form all the time (and "having" to answer it).
wil421 4y ago
Lots of forums I belong to have tons of already answered very common questions. I’ve joined a few on various topics from BBQing to NAS building. When I was building my NAS every single question I had was answered and they had plenty of stickies on various topics. IRC or discord would have been a fall back to the searchable knowledge of a forum. The only time I had a question was when I ran into an issue with my UPS freezing up my NAS during power outages. The guy who figure it out could’ve helped faster on discord, still only took one work day of back and forth, but now the next guy can search my topic.

derefr 4y ago

> Not being able to find things later is, well, a problem for later, so it gets deprioritized vs the problems of now. Who said anything about finding things later? I want a forum because, for niche topics/questions, slow+indexed is the only way to hope anyone will be able to answer my question at all. I can ask a question on a forum and maybe be answered a week later, by someone who's looking through older open threads under the expectation that they can still be of help; or I can ask a question in a chatroom and the people who know aren't online, chat continues, when they come online they've missed it, and so I get my response never. It's a key difference in assumptions, mostly due to different etiquette. When you solve a problem you asked about in a forum thread, you tend to say that. So a forum thread that remains open with no replies is effectively "left hanging", with the author still likely to be interested in an answer. So, for the people who offer help in such forums, there can be value in looking through old open forum threads / solving "cold cases." Meanwhile, chat messages are sort of "drive-by" things, where you'll write a thing, and then, if nobody responds, leave and never come back. You were hoping for an immediate response; you didn't get it; so you gave up. There's no expectation of someone ever coming back, or seeing a response given much later; so people don't try to offer them.

moepstar 4y ago
...as well as the tiring dance of having to explain things over and over and... In an ideal world, if i haven't found an answer from a previous thread on my own, i could be gently nudged into the right direction. Mind you, i've been around on IRC for a very long time and know how tiring it can get to basically get asked the same question in different form all the time (and "having" to answer it).

wil421 4y ago

Lots of forums I belong to have tons of already answered very common questions. I’ve joined a few on various topics from BBQing to NAS building. When I was building my NAS every single question I had was answered and they had plenty of stickies on various topics. IRC or discord would have been a fall back to the searchable knowledge of a forum. The only time I had a question was when I ran into an issue with my UPS freezing up my NAS during power outages. The guy who figure it out could’ve helped faster on discord, still only took one work day of back and forth, but now the next guy can search my topic.