> No they don't. Idk who even talks about this kind of thing. It's pretty commonly talked about whenever woke people want to tear down statues of historical pr

> No they don't. Idk who even talks about this kind of thing. It's pretty commonly talked about whenever woke people want to tear down statues of historical progressives or when they want classrooms to stop teaching "dead white men" and so on. The whole claim is that these historical progressives fail to live up to today's rapidly-changing left-wing morals and thus they oughtn't be celebrated or taught (e.g., tearing down a Lincoln statue because Lincoln didn't accomplish more than abolition). > Right, this is currently a position held by liberals and strongly opposed by a lot of conservatives who want to preserve monuments to things that were despicable even 150 years ago. Yes (for some value of "a lot of conservatives"), but again I don't know why you keep bringing conservatives up when we're talking about woke progressives and liberals. Similarly, I don't know why you're bringing Forrest up when we're talking about presentism. > Those are the people in in power who are sending the signal that explicit racism is still very much prevalent in the halls of power and require explicit counteractions like DEI. DEI doesn't actually work though[0][1][2][3][4], and woke progressive politics are driving the resurgence in right-wing identity politics, as liberals predicted roughly a decade ago ("fixating incessantly on everyone's racial identity is going to strengthen right-wing white racial identity", "left wing illiberalism is going to legitimize right wing illiberalism", etc). In addition to increasing the amount and intensity of anti-minority racists, woke progressive politics on things like policing have driven crime rates (especially violent crime rates) through the roof disproportionately affecting minority communities. If you want to minimize right-wing racism, you have to minimize all racism--in other words, you want liberalism, not left-wing illiberalism. [0]: https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail [1]: https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way-its-supposed-to https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffective-diversity-training-wont-go-away https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffectiv... [3]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversity-dei-initiative.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversi... [4]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07/01/to-improve-diversity-dont-make-people-go-to-diversity-training-really-2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07...