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Would you call it "slave labor" if you're working for yourself? I don't think that the said drugs would greatly help in any of those areas Perhaps you should

Would you call it "slave labor" if you're working for yourself? I don't think that the said drugs would greatly help in any of those areas Perhaps you should try them before you start expressing an opinion. There is a great deal of diversity in mental function and perhaps these drugs have exactly the effect you describe for people who function differently than you (or maybe even for you).

guard-of-terra 15y ago
Personally I avoid substances that affect cognition. Do not smoke, do not drink, don't do any drugs and have no desire to. I don't know why. This also gives me ability to enter the mild mental conditions corresponding to the use of said substances, but without side-effects, at will. I would probably want to try mind-expanding psychoactive drugs which have lasting effect (LSD, psilocybin) in a controlled environment, tho. As for slave labor for yourself: it still is. Peer pressurized slave labor is still slave labor.
- danneu 15y ago
  So, through Teetotalism, you're able to enter the "mild mental conditions" corresponding to the use of substances that do things like flood your brain with dopamine? You sure about that? Your stance sounds like it's just based on a self-aggrandizing platform with no experience with said substances.
  - guard-of-terra 15y ago
    Brain is very well capable of flooding itself with dopamine. The idea is that if you use drugs for that, brain becomes lazy and less eager to do powerful bursts without dope. If you don't, it has no choice.
    - danneu 15y ago
      So, you will your brain to flood itself with neurotransmitters? Help me understand.
      - guard-of-terra 15y ago
        It does when you're happy.
- nl 15y ago
  As for slave labor for yourself: it still is. Peer pressurized slave labor is still slave labor Not only is this factually incorrect, it is offensive to those suffering in real, actual slavery. This the same reasoning that objects to the use of the term "wage slavery" Abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison stated that the use of the term "wage slavery" (in a time when chattel slavery was still common) was an "abuse of language."[25] Most abolitionists believed that wage workers were "neither wronged nor oppressed".[26] Former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass described his elation when he took a paying job, declaring that "Now I am my own master." According to Douglass, wage labor did not represent oppression but fair exchange and former slaves for the first time receiving the fruits of their labor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery
  - guard-of-terra 15y ago
    Well, students in school are in real, actual slavery (they realistically can't quit or change school) AND they are often sleep-deprived. Meaning things are not good. For wage workers it's less obvious but everything which pushes you for continuous putting of more than 40hr/week without correspondingly large financial gain should be discouraged. That number - 40hr/week - is there for a reason.
    - nl 15y ago
      Well, students in school are in real, actual slavery (they realistically can't quit or change school) You are seriously saying that people in educational facilities are slaves? I'm unsure if you are trolling or just trying to justify your statements beyond logical limits. Slavery: the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
      - guard-of-terra 15y ago
        Your definition implies that one can't be a slave to a group of people; but in history (e.g. rome) there always were government slaves. Education is not much different. Children are underage and can't know what's good for them, so we step in and tell them. But if we tell them to sleep less, work more and take some pills for that, it should be a crime.
- true_religion 15y ago
  > his also gives me ability to enter the mild mental conditions corresponding to the use of said substances, but without side-effects, at will. I'm really intrigued: How does your not using drugs give you the ability to enter a state similar to using drugs? How are they two related? Could you not use drugs, and also retain the ability to enter this state?
  - guard-of-terra 15y ago
    People take alchohol when they want to relax. Some people just can't let themself go without alchohol. I can. I just relax at will. Of course, the right context helps.

guard-of-terra 15y ago

Personally I avoid substances that affect cognition. Do not smoke, do not drink, don't do any drugs and have no desire to. I don't know why. This also gives me ability to enter the mild mental conditions corresponding to the use of said substances, but without side-effects, at will. I would probably want to try mind-expanding psychoactive drugs which have lasting effect (LSD, psilocybin) in a controlled environment, tho. As for slave labor for yourself: it still is. Peer pressurized slave labor is still slave labor.

danneu 15y ago
So, through Teetotalism, you're able to enter the "mild mental conditions" corresponding to the use of substances that do things like flood your brain with dopamine? You sure about that? Your stance sounds like it's just based on a self-aggrandizing platform with no experience with said substances.
- guard-of-terra 15y ago
  Brain is very well capable of flooding itself with dopamine. The idea is that if you use drugs for that, brain becomes lazy and less eager to do powerful bursts without dope. If you don't, it has no choice.
  - danneu 15y ago
    So, you will your brain to flood itself with neurotransmitters? Help me understand.
    - guard-of-terra 15y ago
      It does when you're happy.
nl 15y ago
As for slave labor for yourself: it still is. Peer pressurized slave labor is still slave labor Not only is this factually incorrect, it is offensive to those suffering in real, actual slavery. This the same reasoning that objects to the use of the term "wage slavery" Abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison stated that the use of the term "wage slavery" (in a time when chattel slavery was still common) was an "abuse of language."[25] Most abolitionists believed that wage workers were "neither wronged nor oppressed".[26] Former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass described his elation when he took a paying job, declaring that "Now I am my own master." According to Douglass, wage labor did not represent oppression but fair exchange and former slaves for the first time receiving the fruits of their labor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery
- guard-of-terra 15y ago
  Well, students in school are in real, actual slavery (they realistically can't quit or change school) AND they are often sleep-deprived. Meaning things are not good. For wage workers it's less obvious but everything which pushes you for continuous putting of more than 40hr/week without correspondingly large financial gain should be discouraged. That number - 40hr/week - is there for a reason.
  - nl 15y ago
    Well, students in school are in real, actual slavery (they realistically can't quit or change school) You are seriously saying that people in educational facilities are slaves? I'm unsure if you are trolling or just trying to justify your statements beyond logical limits. Slavery: the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
    - guard-of-terra 15y ago
      Your definition implies that one can't be a slave to a group of people; but in history (e.g. rome) there always were government slaves. Education is not much different. Children are underage and can't know what's good for them, so we step in and tell them. But if we tell them to sleep less, work more and take some pills for that, it should be a crime.
true_religion 15y ago
> his also gives me ability to enter the mild mental conditions corresponding to the use of said substances, but without side-effects, at will. I'm really intrigued: How does your not using drugs give you the ability to enter a state similar to using drugs? How are they two related? Could you not use drugs, and also retain the ability to enter this state?
- guard-of-terra 15y ago
  People take alchohol when they want to relax. Some people just can't let themself go without alchohol. I can. I just relax at will. Of course, the right context helps.