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So it is part of Twilio's corporate culture to virtue signal?

by ejb999 4y ago

fitchip46 4y ago
No, it's just to make sure everyone is included, and to be vocal about racist behaviour and biases. There is a lot of engagement for those around this in the company.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  No, I disagree from what I've observed. This is a reality and a deliberate agenda. You can read University of California reports on equity, and what the goals are: https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/committees/ucaade/reports.html https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/committees/ucaade/... Similar corporate agenda is driven by ESG initiatives.
maxehmookau 4y ago
I never understood the issue with virtue signalling. Why would we discourage both: A) the act of being nice and showing our virtue B) showing other people the nice thing we did ...honestly I don't get it? Signalling our virtue seems like a great idea and would encourage others to do the same.
- itronitron 4y ago
  Virtue signaling is all about saying you did the nice thing without showing you did the nice thing. If a company really did the nice thing then it should be visible and they wouldn't have to tell everyone about it. It's that aspect of virtue signaling language that rubs people the wrong way.
  - maxehmookau 4y ago
    To be fair, that was from an internal email that (I assume) they're legally required to disclose to the SEC. It's hardly shouting about it.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Virtue signalling is normally seen as putting on a façade around a virtue, for example Disney claiming to promote LGBT but only doing so in the US not in nations where doing so would hurt the bottom line in this context "Anti-Racism" has become movement of actual racism, so when companies us the term "Anti-racist" is perceived by a lot of people (correctly) be anti-white/asian racism, as the main actor(s) in the movement openly claim that is the purpose
  - maxehmookau 4y ago
    This just _isn't_ anti-white racism though. In this case, Twilio are doing the right thing by making sure those groups who are usually disproportionally hit by layoffs _aren't._ That's literally the definition of being anti-racist.
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    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      No, that would be called "not racist" Anti-Racism is a specific philosophy that goes beyond simply not being racist.

So it is part of Twilio's corporate culture to virtue signal?

by ejb999 4y ago

So it is part of Twilio's corporate culture to virtue signal?

No, it's just to make sure everyone is included, and to be vocal about racist behaviour and biases. There is a lot of engagement for those around this in the company.

systemvoltage 4y ago
No, I disagree from what I've observed. This is a reality and a deliberate agenda. You can read University of California reports on equity, and what the goals are: https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/committees/ucaade/reports.html https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/committees/ucaade/... Similar corporate agenda is driven by ESG initiatives.

maxehmookau 4y ago

I never understood the issue with virtue signalling. Why would we discourage both: A) the act of being nice and showing our virtue B) showing other people the nice thing we did ...honestly I don't get it? Signalling our virtue seems like a great idea and would encourage others to do the same.

itronitron 4y ago
Virtue signaling is all about saying you did the nice thing without showing you did the nice thing. If a company really did the nice thing then it should be visible and they wouldn't have to tell everyone about it. It's that aspect of virtue signaling language that rubs people the wrong way.
- maxehmookau 4y ago
  To be fair, that was from an internal email that (I assume) they're legally required to disclose to the SEC. It's hardly shouting about it.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Virtue signalling is normally seen as putting on a façade around a virtue, for example Disney claiming to promote LGBT but only doing so in the US not in nations where doing so would hurt the bottom line in this context "Anti-Racism" has become movement of actual racism, so when companies us the term "Anti-racist" is perceived by a lot of people (correctly) be anti-white/asian racism, as the main actor(s) in the movement openly claim that is the purpose
- maxehmookau 4y ago
  This just _isn't_ anti-white racism though. In this case, Twilio are doing the right thing by making sure those groups who are usually disproportionally hit by layoffs _aren't._ That's literally the definition of being anti-racist.
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  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    No, that would be called "not racist" Anti-Racism is a specific philosophy that goes beyond simply not being racist.