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In a civilized society, it's the child-rapist – and not the person calling him out – who gets arrested.
by torstenvl 4y ago
In a civilized society, it's the child-rapist – and not the person calling him out – who gets arrested.
- andsoitis 4y agoYou mean Andrew having sex with a 17 year old? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andrew-and-virginia-giuffre-reach-settlement-in-principle https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andre...
- arminiusreturns 4y agoHas everyone just magically forgotten Charles was besties with Jimmy Saville, a notorious necro-pedo?
- parrellel 4y agoIt's so hard to keep straight, dead children, dead pigs, live children, other politicians... the upper wrung of British society seems to be two thirds disturbing fringe sex stuff and one third terrible decision making.
- torstenvl 4y agoI don't view it as mitigating that the rape victim was almost not a child.
- elzbardico 4y ago17 is not a child, but a teenager. Yeah, still creepy as hell, still wrong, but let's not mix the two things as it only serves to dilute the meaning and severity of actual child abuse.
- andsoitis 4y agoLegal age of consent in the US is 16 in many states, 17 in some, and 18 in others - https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-map/ https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-m... And to put a fine point on it, the age of consent in New York is 17 and is 16 in New Jersey. So I think the focus on "child" is not only misplaced, but untrue. Rape is the real issue, so that's the real thing to focus on.
- JimmieMcnulty 4y agoI don't think folks are upset with Andrew because he disobeyed a law, they're upset with him because they believe what he did was morally repugnant.
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- wizofaus 4y agoPerhaps, but we not unreasonably see it as behaviour where a man was clearly taking advantage of his position of wealth and power over someone of an impressionable age who's unlikely to be in a position to give meaningfully informed consent. At any rate the "sick old man" accusation made by heckler was pretty well justified on its own terms, even if choosing that exact moment to make it did little to help the cause.
- claudiawerner 4y agoI know nothing of the particular case, but this argument isn't very convincing to me; the existence of a disparity does no work to show that disparity was actually part of the decision making process for the 17 year old in the way you're insinuating. The more we start removing the agency of late adolescents by calling them 'impressionable', the less sensible this conversation becomes, as though nobody can remember when they themselves were once 17, I know I can. The argument is flawed because we generally tolerate power differences in relationships: men and women (institutional power), certain cases of coworkers of different ranks, an able-bodied person with a disabled person, a depressed person with a mentally healthy person, a suicidal person with a happy person, etc. There are also a lot of adults who vary, due to personal characteristics or experiences with relationships (or lack thereof) who are far more easily snared into a relationship; the average 17 year old has had many more relationships than I have as a 25 year old, and sexual ones too, usually with peers. If anything, I'm the naive one who would fall into a very convincing snare with an older man.
- wizofaus 4y agoI'm not attempting to make any sort of legal argument, just positing why it's widely seen as being an especially egregious act of sexual predation (and I'll admit that's how it appears on the surface to me, but ultimately it's up to the criminal justice system to decide).