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Holding "not my king" poster has nothing to do with "deep solemnity" and does not prevent anyone from grieving. Yet they still got arrested or questioned.

by FpUser 4y ago

kitd 4y ago
Different occasion. The guy holding the poster definitely shouldn't have been arrested. The guy shouting at Prince Andrew during the procession was breaching the peace. Different context, which was my point.
andsoitis 4y ago
You mean this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iokoD85_vg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iokoD85_vg
- torstenvl 4y ago
  In a civilized society, it's the child-rapist – and not the person calling him out – who gets arrested.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    You mean Andrew having sex with a 17 year old? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andrew-and-virginia-giuffre-reach-settlement-in-principle https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andre...
    - arminiusreturns 4y ago
      Has everyone just magically forgotten Charles was besties with Jimmy Saville, a notorious necro-pedo?
      - parrellel 4y ago
        It's so hard to keep straight, dead children, dead pigs, live children, other politicians... the upper wrung of British society seems to be two thirds disturbing fringe sex stuff and one third terrible decision making.
    - torstenvl 4y ago
      I don't view it as mitigating that the rape victim was almost not a child.
      - elzbardico 4y ago
        17 is not a child, but a teenager. Yeah, still creepy as hell, still wrong, but let's not mix the two things as it only serves to dilute the meaning and severity of actual child abuse.
      - andsoitis 4y ago
        Legal age of consent in the US is 16 in many states, 17 in some, and 18 in others - https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-map/ https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-m... And to put a fine point on it, the age of consent in New York is 17 and is 16 in New Jersey. So I think the focus on "child" is not only misplaced, but untrue. Rape is the real issue, so that's the real thing to focus on.
        JimmieMcnulty 4y ago
        I don't think folks are upset with Andrew because he disobeyed a law, they're upset with him because they believe what he did was morally repugnant.
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        wizofaus 4y ago
        Perhaps, but we not unreasonably see it as behaviour where a man was clearly taking advantage of his position of wealth and power over someone of an impressionable age who's unlikely to be in a position to give meaningfully informed consent. At any rate the "sick old man" accusation made by heckler was pretty well justified on its own terms, even if choosing that exact moment to make it did little to help the cause.
        claudiawerner 4y ago

Holding "not my king" poster has nothing to do with "deep solemnity" and does not prevent anyone from grieving. Yet they still got arrested or questioned.

by FpUser 4y ago

Holding "not my king" poster has nothing to do with "deep solemnity" and does not prevent anyone from grieving. Yet they still got arrested or questioned.

kitd 4y ago

Different occasion. The guy holding the poster definitely shouldn't have been arrested. The guy shouting at Prince Andrew during the procession was breaching the peace. Different context, which was my point.

andsoitis 4y ago

You mean this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iokoD85_vg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iokoD85_vg

torstenvl 4y ago
In a civilized society, it's the child-rapist – and not the person calling him out – who gets arrested.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  You mean Andrew having sex with a 17 year old? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andrew-and-virginia-giuffre-reach-settlement-in-principle https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/prince-andre...
  - arminiusreturns 4y ago
    Has everyone just magically forgotten Charles was besties with Jimmy Saville, a notorious necro-pedo?
    - parrellel 4y ago
      It's so hard to keep straight, dead children, dead pigs, live children, other politicians... the upper wrung of British society seems to be two thirds disturbing fringe sex stuff and one third terrible decision making.
  - torstenvl 4y ago
    I don't view it as mitigating that the rape victim was almost not a child.
    - elzbardico 4y ago
      17 is not a child, but a teenager. Yeah, still creepy as hell, still wrong, but let's not mix the two things as it only serves to dilute the meaning and severity of actual child abuse.
    - andsoitis 4y ago
      Legal age of consent in the US is 16 in many states, 17 in some, and 18 in others - https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-map/ https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-m... And to put a fine point on it, the age of consent in New York is 17 and is 16 in New Jersey. So I think the focus on "child" is not only misplaced, but untrue. Rape is the real issue, so that's the real thing to focus on.
      - JimmieMcnulty 4y ago
        I don't think folks are upset with Andrew because he disobeyed a law, they're upset with him because they believe what he did was morally repugnant.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - wizofaus 4y ago
        Perhaps, but we not unreasonably see it as behaviour where a man was clearly taking advantage of his position of wealth and power over someone of an impressionable age who's unlikely to be in a position to give meaningfully informed consent. At any rate the "sick old man" accusation made by heckler was pretty well justified on its own terms, even if choosing that exact moment to make it did little to help the cause.
        claudiawerner 4y ago