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Privacy would help here but more importantly these big companies need to provide a way to fix errors. Seems once you get caught by one of the filters you get su

Privacy would help here but more importantly these big companies need to provide a way to fix errors. Seems once you get caught by one of the filters you get suspended and are offered no path to clarify the situation.

theandrewbailey 4y ago
Not really. You can't 'fix' an error that you've reported to the cops. That's kind of on a criminal record at that point. This man could have been suspended by the government, and he would have had to clarify the situation to a judge. Granted, the judge would be infinitely more receptive to arguments than Google, but it shouldn't have to come to that.
- spaetzleesser 4y ago
  " You can't 'fix' an error that you've reported to the cops. That's kind of on a criminal record at that point. " If the legal system works you can "fix" an error with the cops. It's not like Google reporting something will automatically go on your criminal record. Once the legal system also starts using AI and automated systems to convict people without further explanation then we are in serious trouble.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    How would you resolve the issues with the police? The police are not and should not be judges. The man had “child pornography” on his phone, it was reported and the police did their job given the evidence they had. Watch the TV show COPS to see how many times criminals lie to police officers during an arrest. It’s unfortunate this man got caught up in this but the police did exactly their job. Commit a crime, have evidence, press charges. Arrest if is procedure.
    - Jiro 4y ago
      He did resolve the issues with the police: >The police had access to all the information Google had on Mark and decided it did not constitute child abuse or exploitation. >Mark asked if Mr. Hillard could tell Google that he was innocent so he could get his account back. >“You have to talk to Google,” Mr. Hillard said, according to Mark. “There’s nothing I can do.” >Mark appealed his case to Google again, providing the police report, but to no avail.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        But again, police are not judges.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
These companies should not police pictures in the first place. The user should have privacy from these corporations as well. This is not a vehicle to fight crime. If it becomes that criminals will quickly find out and switch channels and you are left with false allegations.
- titzer 4y ago
  Catching child predators is always the tip of the sword in the advancing frontier of surveillance. It just so happens that it's a cover for outsourcing and scaling up the intelligence apparatus's ability to track everyone, everywhere, all the time. Just in case they do something really bad like steal state secrets or try to blow the whistle on a crime committed by a powerful person. It's always about cover stories for the state's unrelenting paranoia.

theandrewbailey 4y ago

Not really. You can't 'fix' an error that you've reported to the cops. That's kind of on a criminal record at that point. This man could have been suspended by the government, and he would have had to clarify the situation to a judge. Granted, the judge would be infinitely more receptive to arguments than Google, but it shouldn't have to come to that.

spaetzleesser 4y ago
" You can't 'fix' an error that you've reported to the cops. That's kind of on a criminal record at that point. " If the legal system works you can "fix" an error with the cops. It's not like Google reporting something will automatically go on your criminal record. Once the legal system also starts using AI and automated systems to convict people without further explanation then we are in serious trouble.
- tekknik 4y ago
  How would you resolve the issues with the police? The police are not and should not be judges. The man had “child pornography” on his phone, it was reported and the police did their job given the evidence they had. Watch the TV show COPS to see how many times criminals lie to police officers during an arrest. It’s unfortunate this man got caught up in this but the police did exactly their job. Commit a crime, have evidence, press charges. Arrest if is procedure.
  - Jiro 4y ago
    He did resolve the issues with the police: >The police had access to all the information Google had on Mark and decided it did not constitute child abuse or exploitation. >Mark asked if Mr. Hillard could tell Google that he was innocent so he could get his account back. >“You have to talk to Google,” Mr. Hillard said, according to Mark. “There’s nothing I can do.” >Mark appealed his case to Google again, providing the police report, but to no avail.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      But again, police are not judges.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

These companies should not police pictures in the first place. The user should have privacy from these corporations as well. This is not a vehicle to fight crime. If it becomes that criminals will quickly find out and switch channels and you are left with false allegations.

titzer 4y ago
Catching child predators is always the tip of the sword in the advancing frontier of surveillance. It just so happens that it's a cover for outsourcing and scaling up the intelligence apparatus's ability to track everyone, everywhere, all the time. Just in case they do something really bad like steal state secrets or try to blow the whistle on a crime committed by a powerful person. It's always about cover stories for the state's unrelenting paranoia.