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So he moves from Android phones that are bad on privacy to Apple iPhone, which is bad on web browser engines. I wish there was a better choice; but I think I w

So he moves from Android phones that are bad on privacy to Apple iPhone, which is bad on web browser engines. I wish there was a better choice; but I think I would still pick Android for now...

Defletter 4y ago
Currently replying on my newly deGoogled Android phone (/e/OS). It's a bit awkward in a few ways but it definitely feels like I'm not handing over all my data to Google.
desindol 4y ago
The most annoying part is the hybris if they would really care they would go for the real alternatives like a pine or phones with plasma or sailfish. Nope most of these articles take the comfort option over what they preach.
dmm 4y ago
A degoogled pixel phone with CalyxOS or GrapheneOS is a good alternative. You can choose not to use cloud services and better control what runs on your phone.
hooby 4y ago
There actually ARE other choices - like Librem, PinePhone, etc. These other choices definitely are better when it comes to privacy. But probably worse in every other regard. I personally am not quite willing to make that tradeoff (yet). But I sure am highly grateful to everyone who does, and helps make those alternatives better, and helps them gain momentum.
- mojzu 4y ago
  I agree, given how much I rely on my phone/computer to just work, I'd not personally be willing to make the usability and reliability tradeoffs with switching to something like a PinePhone. Plus there are some other steps you can take to reduce the privacy/security risks of relying on Google/Apple/etc., for example I use PiHole/Tailscale for DNS and Cryptomator for files stored in the cloud
  - butterNaN 4y ago
    There's also /e/ os
- mrweasel 4y ago
  > There actually ARE other choices - like Librem, PinePhone, etc. The trade offs pretty much rules out the alternatives for most people. I need just a few apps, but they are for payment and government stuff, so they are only ever going to be available in the official app stores. For others it's going to be messaging apps, social media or something local, like an app for the supermarket. If those apps are not available, then the point of a smartphone goes away. At least of me.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    Not just you. Loads of countries are pushing further digitalization and pseudo-require a smartphone to not make things a complete hassle. If you're lucky, their APKs are distributed outside the playstore and you get to manually update everything once a month. The whole thing is making people dependent on the common app stores. Not actually dependent, but practically.
seanw444 4y ago
Android is just worse from a security perspective, and I'm not an Apple fan. If you're going to use Android, use an open source AOSP fork. Lineage, Graphene, Calyx... how can you be sure that you're actually secure and private if you can't even be sure exactly what firmware your phone is running? You can't.

So he moves from Android phones that are bad on privacy to Apple iPhone, which is bad on web browser engines. I wish there was a better choice; but I think I would still pick Android for now...

Defletter 4y ago

Currently replying on my newly deGoogled Android phone (/e/OS). It's a bit awkward in a few ways but it definitely feels like I'm not handing over all my data to Google.

desindol 4y ago

The most annoying part is the hybris if they would really care they would go for the real alternatives like a pine or phones with plasma or sailfish. Nope most of these articles take the comfort option over what they preach.

dmm 4y ago

A degoogled pixel phone with CalyxOS or GrapheneOS is a good alternative. You can choose not to use cloud services and better control what runs on your phone.

hooby 4y ago

There actually ARE other choices - like Librem, PinePhone, etc. These other choices definitely are better when it comes to privacy. But probably worse in every other regard. I personally am not quite willing to make that tradeoff (yet). But I sure am highly grateful to everyone who does, and helps make those alternatives better, and helps them gain momentum.

mojzu 4y ago
I agree, given how much I rely on my phone/computer to just work, I'd not personally be willing to make the usability and reliability tradeoffs with switching to something like a PinePhone. Plus there are some other steps you can take to reduce the privacy/security risks of relying on Google/Apple/etc., for example I use PiHole/Tailscale for DNS and Cryptomator for files stored in the cloud
- butterNaN 4y ago
  There's also /e/ os
mrweasel 4y ago
> There actually ARE other choices - like Librem, PinePhone, etc. The trade offs pretty much rules out the alternatives for most people. I need just a few apps, but they are for payment and government stuff, so they are only ever going to be available in the official app stores. For others it's going to be messaging apps, social media or something local, like an app for the supermarket. If those apps are not available, then the point of a smartphone goes away. At least of me.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Not just you. Loads of countries are pushing further digitalization and pseudo-require a smartphone to not make things a complete hassle. If you're lucky, their APKs are distributed outside the playstore and you get to manually update everything once a month. The whole thing is making people dependent on the common app stores. Not actually dependent, but practically.

seanw444 4y ago

Android is just worse from a security perspective, and I'm not an Apple fan. If you're going to use Android, use an open source AOSP fork. Lineage, Graphene, Calyx... how can you be sure that you're actually secure and private if you can't even be sure exactly what firmware your phone is running? You can't.