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Folks, just pay for YouTube Premium. In my family, between my kids and myself we watch more YouTube than Netflix/Disney+/Hulu combined so the YouTube family pla

Folks, just pay for YouTube Premium. In my family, between my kids and myself we watch more YouTube than Netflix/Disney+/Hulu combined so the YouTube family plan is the best value going.

tomjen3 4y ago
Thats great for you. For me, its way overpriced, considering they are not creating any of the content and it doesn't actually cover all ads.
- colejohnson66 4y ago
  > and it doesn't actually cover all ads That's not true at all. I've been paying for Premium for over a year, and I can say with certainty that I have seen zero ads placed by YouTube. The only ones I've seen are ones creators put in themselves.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    So it doesn't cover all ads. Sponsored content is advertising. If youtube premium doesn't result in creators making enough to support themselves then it's feeding youtube for no net gain. Any "pay for youtube directly" strategy MUST result in a creator 1) not needing to get external revenue from merch, sponsors, patreon, or anything like that. 2) not be so at the mercy of youtube algorithms and unaccountable decision trees that content match them to silence, remove their payment through "demonitization", and provide actual support to the creators so they can focus on creating instead of whipping up public shitstorms just to get basic support, and 3) reward creators for making higher quality content, instead of more addictive or "engaging" content. Right now Youtube Premium isn't that service. What is that service? Floatplane and nebula are trying to be that service. Nebula specifically has nearly every high quality, "tech, science, invention, discovery, learning etc" content creators and it's like $100 a year. All of my favorite content creators are part of it.
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    Exactly. Not all ads.
pornel 4y ago
I thought about that, but then I realized I'd have to be logged in to my Google account, and for privacy reasons I'm avoiding this as hard as I can.
blibble 4y ago
they'll add ads to that once enough people are using it
- sofixa 4y ago
  Bullshit. The whole and only point of Premium is that it has no ads. If they add them for paid users too they'll lose pretty much all of them.
  - i67vw3 4y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-amazon-disney-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-am... https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ads-pricing https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ad... https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-turbo-ad-free-benefit-end-over-september-14 https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-tur... Like the above sites, later on you will need to buy Youtube Premium Pro to actually get ad free youtube experience. Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      But if that's the direction they go with, why would they bother offering just plain YouTube Premium? It would have no value proposition at all.
      - i67vw3 4y ago
        I have replied with my reasoning in this comment thread. Check it out.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add. > Later on the current premium will definitely have ads. I take it you work on the strategy of YouTube?
qwerty456127 4y ago
> just pay for YouTube Premium This would imply signing-in. I don't sign in and reset the cookies regularly because I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. But Okay, I would sign-in and pay, if every video page had a download button and the whole thing would give me an API exposing all the features reliably (so I could use it easily in 3-rd party players with search and suggestions).
- donatj 4y ago
  > I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. I am genuinely curious, how do you find videos worth your time without recommendations? 99.9% of what’s on YouTube I have zero interest in, the recommendation engine is how I cull the noise and actually find things to watch.
  - MiguelX413 4y ago
    One shouldn't go to YouTube to fill time, but to find something.
    - donatj 4y ago
      I think your time is far better spent on YouTube than Netflix
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        But it's even better spent doing neither.
      - MiguelX413 4y ago
        The same goes for anything.
  - SL61 4y ago
    I'm not the person you replied to but: 1. I search for a topic and pick out a video that seems interesting. 2. I remember the names of the few YouTubers I like, and I look them up once in a while. I do actually have a YT account and I'm subscribed to some people, but I rarely bother to sign in. For me, YouTube is a platform for seeking content rather than a platform for being fed content (like HN or Twitter).
mklarmann 4y ago
I do receive youtube's request to purchase premium about each time I go on the site (I am not logged in, use privacy protection) for years now. I am so pissed off by their aggressive marketing and with every click to get away with the banner my decision becomes more solid. I will never be able to pay for it.
zeroth32 4y ago
I just mirror all channels locally. This way I can also control what my kids see.
fbn79 4y ago
Really? What content do you/family like to watch if I may ask?
emptyparadise 4y ago
Not paying for my shitty media addiction is the last desperate petty act of rebellion I can do.
nephrite 4y ago
How long before YouTube Premium starts to show ads? Netflix already does it.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  If YouTube Premium starts showing ads, I'd stop watching YouTube entirely. Which might not be a terrible thing. YouTube is the only Google service that I haven't stopped using entirely. Getting rid of it would be good, but there isn't anything else I've found that can really replace it.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  I thought Netflix only showed ads to a cheaper plan, not their higher priced plan.

Folks, just pay for YouTube Premium. In my family, between my kids and myself we watch more YouTube than Netflix/Disney+/Hulu combined so the YouTube family plan is the best value going.

tomjen3 4y ago

Thats great for you. For me, its way overpriced, considering they are not creating any of the content and it doesn't actually cover all ads.

colejohnson66 4y ago
> and it doesn't actually cover all ads That's not true at all. I've been paying for Premium for over a year, and I can say with certainty that I have seen zero ads placed by YouTube. The only ones I've seen are ones creators put in themselves.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  So it doesn't cover all ads. Sponsored content is advertising. If youtube premium doesn't result in creators making enough to support themselves then it's feeding youtube for no net gain. Any "pay for youtube directly" strategy MUST result in a creator 1) not needing to get external revenue from merch, sponsors, patreon, or anything like that. 2) not be so at the mercy of youtube algorithms and unaccountable decision trees that content match them to silence, remove their payment through "demonitization", and provide actual support to the creators so they can focus on creating instead of whipping up public shitstorms just to get basic support, and 3) reward creators for making higher quality content, instead of more addictive or "engaging" content. Right now Youtube Premium isn't that service. What is that service? Floatplane and nebula are trying to be that service. Nebula specifically has nearly every high quality, "tech, science, invention, discovery, learning etc" content creators and it's like $100 a year. All of my favorite content creators are part of it.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Exactly. Not all ads.

pornel 4y ago

I thought about that, but then I realized I'd have to be logged in to my Google account, and for privacy reasons I'm avoiding this as hard as I can.

blibble 4y ago

they'll add ads to that once enough people are using it

sofixa 4y ago
Bullshit. The whole and only point of Premium is that it has no ads. If they add them for paid users too they'll lose pretty much all of them.
- i67vw3 4y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-amazon-disney-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-am... https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ads-pricing https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ad... https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-turbo-ad-free-benefit-end-over-september-14 https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-tur... Like the above sites, later on you will need to buy Youtube Premium Pro to actually get ad free youtube experience. Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    But if that's the direction they go with, why would they bother offering just plain YouTube Premium? It would have no value proposition at all.
    - i67vw3 4y ago
      I have replied with my reasoning in this comment thread. Check it out.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add. > Later on the current premium will definitely have ads. I take it you work on the strategy of YouTube?

qwerty456127 4y ago

> just pay for YouTube Premium This would imply signing-in. I don't sign in and reset the cookies regularly because I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. But Okay, I would sign-in and pay, if every video page had a download button and the whole thing would give me an API exposing all the features reliably (so I could use it easily in 3-rd party players with search and suggestions).

donatj 4y ago
> I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. I am genuinely curious, how do you find videos worth your time without recommendations? 99.9% of what’s on YouTube I have zero interest in, the recommendation engine is how I cull the noise and actually find things to watch.
- MiguelX413 4y ago
  One shouldn't go to YouTube to fill time, but to find something.
  - donatj 4y ago
    I think your time is far better spent on YouTube than Netflix
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      But it's even better spent doing neither.
    - MiguelX413 4y ago
      The same goes for anything.
- SL61 4y ago
  I'm not the person you replied to but: 1. I search for a topic and pick out a video that seems interesting. 2. I remember the names of the few YouTubers I like, and I look them up once in a while. I do actually have a YT account and I'm subscribed to some people, but I rarely bother to sign in. For me, YouTube is a platform for seeking content rather than a platform for being fed content (like HN or Twitter).

mklarmann 4y ago

I do receive youtube's request to purchase premium about each time I go on the site (I am not logged in, use privacy protection) for years now. I am so pissed off by their aggressive marketing and with every click to get away with the banner my decision becomes more solid. I will never be able to pay for it.

zeroth32 4y ago

I just mirror all channels locally. This way I can also control what my kids see.

fbn79 4y ago

Really? What content do you/family like to watch if I may ask?

emptyparadise 4y ago

Not paying for my shitty media addiction is the last desperate petty act of rebellion I can do.

nephrite 4y ago

How long before YouTube Premium starts to show ads? Netflix already does it.

JohnFen 4y ago
If YouTube Premium starts showing ads, I'd stop watching YouTube entirely. Which might not be a terrible thing. YouTube is the only Google service that I haven't stopped using entirely. Getting rid of it would be good, but there isn't anything else I've found that can really replace it.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
I thought Netflix only showed ads to a cheaper plan, not their higher priced plan.