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Roger Penrose supposedly wrote Emperor's New Mind as a direct rebuttal of GEB from a physics point of view. These two books, ironically, seem to form an undecid
by eternalban 4y ago
Roger Penrose supposedly wrote Emperor's New Mind as a direct rebuttal of GEB from a physics point of view. These two books, ironically, seem to form an undecidable dual. One of them is true, but neither managed to prove its point.
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GEB is ultimately arguing that mind arises from complexity in structure and algorithm. ENM counters that by noting (apparent) non-deterministic aspects of consciousness, proposing quantum effects as a possible source of consciousness. (That was my overall take on the these two books.)
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What is not convincing about GEB's argument is the lack of a reasonable explanation for meaning. What it does argue well is how meaning unfolds (self-reference, recursion, composition) but just as Cellular Automatas (CAs) deceptively look like natural phenomena but entirely ignore the extra-CA substrate that simulates the CA world, GEB too ignores the missing mind that is supposed to traverse these layers of abstraction based on self-reference, recursion, and composition. So it is ultimately a purely aesthetic argument (even though the machinery of logic and mathematics are thrown in,) just like certain branches of modern theoretical physics.
- SamBam 4y agoPenrose's issue is that most mathematicians have disagreed with his understanding of Godel's theorem. He basically wants to say "A computer by definition can't know that a "Godel statement" is true, and yet I do, and therefore my mind can't be a computer." Yet Godel's theorem is entirely formal and understandable by a computer, which can draw the same conclusions about any such statement as a human.