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Peder means "gay", not pedophile in croatian (or serbian). A bit less problematic, but still not that acceptable in the balkans.

lb1lf 4y ago
Ah, thanks for setting me straight. Come to think of it, it is quite possible Mirta never actually said that 'Peder' equalled 'pederast' - just blushed and suggested (after Peder had left the room!) that the name was highly inappropriate because reasons, leaving me to connect the dots.
- hnov 4y ago
  In a bunch of Slavic languages pederast colloquially means homosexual, probably a holdover from the past.
  - cafeinux 4y ago
    In French, an homosexual is colloquially called a "PD" or "pédé". It is offensive to some people and is usually used as an insult by homophobes. It directly comes from "pédéraste" and contributed a lot, 20 years ago, in the idea that homosexuals where deviant people.
  - Archelaos 4y ago
    In Ancient Greek the word (παιδεραστία) was typically ment in the specific sense of "(male) lover of boys", not "lover of children", although the latter meaning would syntactically been possible. Because in the singular παῖς means "boy" in contrast to κόρη "girl", but for "children" the plural of παῖς is used. So we have an old specific meaning that combines a 1) male 2) adult targeting a 3) male 4) child. This allows for a whole range of possibilities and thus possible disambiguties, if one or several of the four components were relaxed. There are some parallels with the history of the word "homosexuality", because "homo" in Latin can mean both: "male human" or "human in general". The word often excluted female homosexuality, when it was limited to the performance of a particular sexual practice, namly anal penetration.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  I’m pretty sure ‘Petar’ is the equivalent name there
331c8c71 4y ago
Exactly the same in Russian.
senko 4y ago
Also, it is explicitly a pejorative term, as opposed to "gej" (literal transliteration of "gay"), which is a neutral term.
Lio 4y ago
Which is ironic considering that Gay itself is also a very valid first name. For example, Gay Byrne[1], who was sort of like the Irish Johnny Carson; a big cultural figure. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Byrne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Byrne

lb1lf 4y ago

Ah, thanks for setting me straight. Come to think of it, it is quite possible Mirta never actually said that 'Peder' equalled 'pederast' - just blushed and suggested (after Peder had left the room!) that the name was highly inappropriate because reasons, leaving me to connect the dots.

hnov 4y ago
In a bunch of Slavic languages pederast colloquially means homosexual, probably a holdover from the past.
- cafeinux 4y ago
  In French, an homosexual is colloquially called a "PD" or "pédé". It is offensive to some people and is usually used as an insult by homophobes. It directly comes from "pédéraste" and contributed a lot, 20 years ago, in the idea that homosexuals where deviant people.
- Archelaos 4y ago
  In Ancient Greek the word (παιδεραστία) was typically ment in the specific sense of "(male) lover of boys", not "lover of children", although the latter meaning would syntactically been possible. Because in the singular παῖς means "boy" in contrast to κόρη "girl", but for "children" the plural of παῖς is used. So we have an old specific meaning that combines a 1) male 2) adult targeting a 3) male 4) child. This allows for a whole range of possibilities and thus possible disambiguties, if one or several of the four components were relaxed. There are some parallels with the history of the word "homosexuality", because "homo" in Latin can mean both: "male human" or "human in general". The word often excluted female homosexuality, when it was limited to the performance of a particular sexual practice, namly anal penetration.
selimthegrim 4y ago
I’m pretty sure ‘Petar’ is the equivalent name there

331c8c71 4y ago

Exactly the same in Russian.

senko 4y ago

Also, it is explicitly a pejorative term, as opposed to "gej" (literal transliteration of "gay"), which is a neutral term.

Lio 4y ago

Which is ironic considering that Gay itself is also a very valid first name. For example, Gay Byrne[1], who was sort of like the Irish Johnny Carson; a big cultural figure. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Byrne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Byrne