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It would be one thing if the covid vaccine actually worked well, but it doesn't. It kind of works, but not especially well. Even worse is people who actually g

by ars 4y ago

It would be one thing if the covid vaccine actually worked well, but it doesn't. It kind of works, but not especially well. Even worse is people who actually got covid, yet they want them to get a vaccine, which is rather pointless for them. Places with that particular policy demonstrate they don't care about science, they care about obedience to authority.

CamperBob2 4y ago
- ipaddr 4y ago
  On this site many people can read scientific studies. Having a medical degree means you can apply to practice medicine for money. Forming opinions based on fact never required one.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    You can read studies and form opinions all you want. I do the same. But the post I replied to offered unsolicited medical advice that blatantly contradicts the currently-available information from public health authorities. ("It would be one thing if the covid vaccine actually worked well, but it doesn't. It kind of works, but not especially well. Even worse is people who actually got covid, yet they want them to get a vaccine, which is rather pointless for them.") When you start to post bullshit online, that's when people -- very legitimately -- may choose to challenge your credentials. In fact, people should challenge your credentials in such cases. It doesn't happen anywhere near often enough, and that's a problem. If you disagree, then you're part of the same problem. Reconsider your position.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You can’t make informed opinions on a lot of areas without the prerequisite training and context
- ars 4y ago
  You perhaps don't realize that having an MD degree does not make you qualified to speak about this. Very few practicing Doctors analyze this kind of data. The researchers who are qualified (and who I am getting my info from) don't have MD's, they have PhD's though. Nothing I'm saying is controversial you know. i.e. having or not having an MD degree has little to do with vaccine knowledge.
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
    Nothing wrong with PhD’s in medieval dance theory, but they’re not adequate for epidemiology. And what you are saying is not in line with what epidemiologists seem to be saying.
moistly 4y ago
It works well enough that the unvaccinated are grossly over-represented in the ICUs and in the death stats. You have to be particularly math illiterate to not recognize that the vaccine does, in fact, work.
- ars 4y ago
  For elderly people, sure. For younger? Not so much. It's not helping them very much. I'm not saying it's nothing, but it's not necessary to require it to work as a nurse. The worst part, of course, is the short time that it works. I've seen places where if you got vaccinated 2 years ago, you are golden. Had covid a month ago? A pariah. That is not based on good science, that's just obedience.
  - moistly 4y ago
    You are spreading lies and disinformation. > Almost All Teens in ICU With COVID Were Unvaccinated: Study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20220114/unvaccinated-teens-in-icu https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2022011... > Third of teens hospitalized for COVID-19 need ICU care; CDC chief urges youth to get vaccinated https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/third-of-teens-hospitalized-for-covid-19-need-icu-care-cdc-chief-urges-youth-to-get-vaccinated.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/third-of... > Throughout the periods of Delta and Omicron predominance, hospitalization rates remained lower among fully vaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years than among unvaccinated adolescents. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e4.htm > COVID-19 vaccines for kids: What you need to know https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/covid-19-vaccines-for-kids/art-20513332 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... > Over the past month, half of the children admitted to Advocate Aurora hospitals with COVID-19 were under the age of 5 years old … 25 percent of pediatric COVID-19 patients at Advocate hospitals are requiring care in the intensive care unit … “And I would say almost 100 percent of our patients in the ICU are unvaccinated” https://news.yahoo.com/25-pediatric-covid-patients-icu-184031143.html https://news.yahoo.com/25-pediatric-covid-patients-icu-18403... Shame on you.

by ars 4y ago

CamperBob2 4y ago

ipaddr 4y ago
On this site many people can read scientific studies. Having a medical degree means you can apply to practice medicine for money. Forming opinions based on fact never required one.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  You can read studies and form opinions all you want. I do the same. But the post I replied to offered unsolicited medical advice that blatantly contradicts the currently-available information from public health authorities. ("It would be one thing if the covid vaccine actually worked well, but it doesn't. It kind of works, but not especially well. Even worse is people who actually got covid, yet they want them to get a vaccine, which is rather pointless for them.") When you start to post bullshit online, that's when people -- very legitimately -- may choose to challenge your credentials. In fact, people should challenge your credentials in such cases. It doesn't happen anywhere near often enough, and that's a problem. If you disagree, then you're part of the same problem. Reconsider your position.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You can’t make informed opinions on a lot of areas without the prerequisite training and context
ars 4y ago
You perhaps don't realize that having an MD degree does not make you qualified to speak about this. Very few practicing Doctors analyze this kind of data. The researchers who are qualified (and who I am getting my info from) don't have MD's, they have PhD's though. Nothing I'm saying is controversial you know. i.e. having or not having an MD degree has little to do with vaccine knowledge.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  Nothing wrong with PhD’s in medieval dance theory, but they’re not adequate for epidemiology. And what you are saying is not in line with what epidemiologists seem to be saying.

moistly 4y ago

It works well enough that the unvaccinated are grossly over-represented in the ICUs and in the death stats. You have to be particularly math illiterate to not recognize that the vaccine does, in fact, work.

ars 4y ago
For elderly people, sure. For younger? Not so much. It's not helping them very much. I'm not saying it's nothing, but it's not necessary to require it to work as a nurse. The worst part, of course, is the short time that it works. I've seen places where if you got vaccinated 2 years ago, you are golden. Had covid a month ago? A pariah. That is not based on good science, that's just obedience.
- moistly 4y ago
  You are spreading lies and disinformation. > Almost All Teens in ICU With COVID Were Unvaccinated: Study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20220114/unvaccinated-teens-in-icu https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2022011... > Third of teens hospitalized for COVID-19 need ICU care; CDC chief urges youth to get vaccinated https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/third-of-teens-hospitalized-for-covid-19-need-icu-care-cdc-chief-urges-youth-to-get-vaccinated.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/third-of... > Throughout the periods of Delta and Omicron predominance, hospitalization rates remained lower among fully vaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years than among unvaccinated adolescents. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e4.htm > COVID-19 vaccines for kids: What you need to know https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/covid-19-vaccines-for-kids/art-20513332 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... > Over the past month, half of the children admitted to Advocate Aurora hospitals with COVID-19 were under the age of 5 years old … 25 percent of pediatric COVID-19 patients at Advocate hospitals are requiring care in the intensive care unit … “And I would say almost 100 percent of our patients in the ICU are unvaccinated” https://news.yahoo.com/25-pediatric-covid-patients-icu-184031143.html https://news.yahoo.com/25-pediatric-covid-patients-icu-18403... Shame on you.