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Would you rather have a nurse who was a vaccine skeptic or no nurse? Honestly asking.

• scarface74 4y ago
  No nurse. What other kind of bad advice will they give me?
  • ethbr0 4y ago
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there exist people who are vaccine skeptics and are trained to a higher skill in life support than I am. I try not to judge people completely based on a single characteristic.
    • scarface74 4y ago
      That makes it worse not better. If my wife were pregnant, I also wouldn’t have her go to a doctor who “didn’t believe in abortion” under any circumstances even if her life were in danger.
      • ethbr0 4y ago
        That's a strawman, because it's a directly impactful choice at the time of care. How does a person's personal vaccination status, ceterus paribus, affect the care you're likely to receive? Outside of, you know, directly asking them "Should I get vaccinated?" and being told "I wouldn't"?
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        • pc86 4y ago
          > How does a person's personal vaccination status affect the care you're likely to receive? Because it shows that they're not intellectually capable of making good medical decisions. The risk that the other medical decisions they will make are equally bad despite all evidence to the contrary increases.
          • ethbr0 4y ago
            As far as I've met people, there are three groups: - Those who believe that anyone who doesn't vaccinate "isn't intellectually capable of making good medical decisions" - Those who are opposed to vaccination because they believe in conspiracy theories - Those who are are either pro- or anti- vaccination, but realize it's a complicated issue, with evidence-supported pros and cons, that other humans of reasonable intelligence can have different opinions than themselves about Unfortunately, the first two groups tend to be the loudest and most religious about it.
            • scarface74 4y ago
              Either way, just like I wouldn’t want a religious zealot who has convictions about performing an abortion while my wife is laying their bleeding, I wouldn’t trust the judgement of an anti-vaxxer. One of my best friends who lived in Seattle whose wife did have complications during pregnancy. He told his doctor that in no uncertain terms if they had to make a choice between his wife and his unborn son, to save his wife’s life. They had to perform a c section early to save his wife. His son is healthy and thriving and he had a vasectomy soon after their child was born to not risk another pregnancy and they adopted a child. He said in today’s climate. If he had lived in a state like Texas, he would have found another job and moved.
              • ethbr0 4y ago
                As the product of a reproductive therapy that certain people at one time would have banned, I can sympathize. To me the big difference is whether they're "I should not be vaccinated" or "Everyone should not be vaccinated." The former doesn't always mean belief in the latter. So I look at someone being unvaccinated more like choosing to wear a spinning propeller hat to work every day... it's weird, and it makes me judge you, but it doesn't necessarily impact your work.
                • scarface74 4y ago
                  As a health care professional, you choosing to be anti-vaxxer tells me a lot about your judgment in the field I’m seeking your expert advice and it probably means that you don’t care about coming to work with Covid and getting other people sick. If you’re an anti vaxxer coworker, whatever. Your judgment about the vaccine doesn’t affect their ability to write good code. But if they were an Oracle fan…
• smileysteve 4y ago
  a 75 year old family member was prescribed Ivermectin for light Covid. I would rather no doctor. And family member has decided to seek a different doctor. Literally added a symptom.
  • ethbr0 4y ago
    Doctors and nurses are two different jobs.
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• KerrAvon 4y ago
  Would you rather have a fireman who used a firehouse connected to a water source or a water hose skeptic who insisted on using an empty bucket?
  • ethbr0 4y ago
    That's a bad metaphor, given that the point in question (vaccination) isn't a treatment (water) at the time of severe infection. Someone can simultaneously (a) be trained in critical care & (b) be a vaccine skeptic. It's analogous to meteorologists who don't believe in climate change: yes, it's kooky, but it's also not the job they're doing.