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There was a very recent case where an emergency trauma center had to shut down because all the nurses left for another hospital for better working conditions.
by vsskanth 4y ago
There was a very recent case where an emergency trauma center had to shut down because all the nurses left for another hospital for better working conditions.
It’s also common in rehab centers. You can’t take Medicare patients without a minimum staff count. If too many nurses leave, patients can’t be accepted and you end up bleeding.
Basically any job that primarily requires human capital.
- fhsm 4y agoHave a link? Alway interested in these examples. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/us/thedacare-lawsuit-wisconsin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/us/thedacare-lawsuit-wisc... ^ is the only recent one in acute care I’ve heard of but it doesn’t really fit your other details (limited service line, multiple role groups, ambiguity around actual impact).
- ethbr0 4y agoThat's a lot of hospitals in the US and Canada right now. Turns out if you cut nurses' compensation and retirement match during the pandemic, ask them to work overtime due to understaffing, and then don't restore benefits or give them raises to match inflation after... they walk. Who knew?
- hollywood_court 4y agoI could not imagine being a nurse or a teacher in the US right now. I wish they realized that they have the leverage and can go on strike. I imagine that's difficult for many of them as they most certainly need the income. A rock and a hard place. I always smile when I read about a nurse or teacher switching to a completely different career field and finding themselves more content.
- mud_dauber 4y agoMy wife (ER/ICU nursing) walked away from a 25 yr career. She ended up in the kitchen of an upscale grocery store - still working with her hands for 1/3 the salary. (Granted, we could withstand the financial hit.) She would still come home bone-tired after being on her feet for a shift - but much more interested in the work. Not having to deal with the public was another big benefit -the epidemic turned too many people into **holes.
- ethbr0 4y agoInteresting factoid: "computer programmer" + "nurse" are one of the most common spousal profession pairings. Per a recent HN link/study.
- sudom82 4y agoDo you have a link to said study?
- ethbr0 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29003986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29003986
- sudom82 4y agoThanks, appreciate it!
- 29083011397778 4y agoI've put in a few classifications my job could fall under, and gotten RN for at least two. Perhaps there's just more nurses than people assume or realise?
- aaaaaaaaata 4y agoAnyone have a link?
- ask_b123 4y agoCould you link to the thread please?
- blarg1 4y agoThat's my parents :)
- another2another 4y agoWell I'm a data point then, also another colleague. But despite our respective professions, I still get ignored when I'm sick, and she can fix her own iTunes problems 'cos I just don't have a clue.
- heavyset_go 4y agoIt's sometimes illegal for teachers to even go on strike. My area had an incident where striking teachers were arrested and taken to jail.
- folli 4y ago"The floggings will continue until moral improves"
- tdeck 4y agoSometimes they win demands even when the strike is illegal. The 2018 West Virginia teacher's strike turned into a wildcat (unauthorized) strike but that didn't stop them from winning a 5% pay raise. It does depend a lot on community support and sympathy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%27_strike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_West_Virginia_teachers%...
- heavyset_go 4y agoSome states it's just illegal for teachers to strike at all, wildcat or not, or even to organize with unions.
- tdeck 4y agoA wildcat strike is always illegal in the US. Organizing a union isn't illegal in any state, it's about whether the union gets official recognition and official bargaining rights. My point was that it's possible to win even if you don't have those things.
- wongarsu 4y agoIn jail they won't come to work either. That sounds more like a scare tactic
- heavyset_go 4y agoIt's less of a scare tactic and more of a way to punish and prevent teachers from organizing in the first place.
- solarmist 4y agoDidn’t the nation’s largest ever healthcare strike start today in MN?
- robertlagrant 4y agoThey don't need to go on strike if there's an alternative employer available. They just need to quit. Going on strike turns these things from being focused on bad managers to focusing on intransigent employees. Leaving means the management needs fixing or changing.
- EFreethought 4y agoI am not in nursing, but from what I have seen in corporate America: even when there is a lot of churn, bad managers always think everybody else is the problem.
- robertlagrant 4y agoOf course. But they don't assess themselves :)
- heavyset_go 4y agoIn my experience, management tends to protect themselves and go up to bat for each other, especially when things can be blamed on their subordinates.
- robertlagrant 4y agoThis isn't about blame, though. Even if for some reason you feel the need to care about blame passed around in a company after you've left, I would say it's still worse to strike when you can leave. Unless you're suggesting that being blamed by management is intrinsically important and going on strike is going to be less blamed by management? I would just disagree with every aspect of that statement.
- gorbachev 4y agoIt's everywhere. The Government in my country is working on a law prohibiting nurses from striking for better working conditions (incl. more staffing) and better pay. Most countries have laws already to ensure adequate staffing for emergency personnel, but this is going way beyond those type of laws. That's gonna work awesome once all the nurses start quitting. I hope they do.
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- ipaddr 4y agoOr fire nurses and/or pressure them to quit for not being upto date on 3 or 4 vaccines. Think of how many hospitals would have stayed open in Canada without the vaccine cull.
- CamperBob2 4y agoGood riddance. I don't want antivax nutcases on my healthcare team. They picked the wrong profession.
- pc86 4y agoIt's insane to me that this got downvoted. Medical exemptions are a thing. If you truly can't receive a certain vaccine, you should still be allowed to get whatever job you want. But I'm sorry, if you "don't believe in" vaccines in general, or certain specific vaccines that have - for reasons passing all comprehension - become extremely political, you should not be a healthcare provider.
- ipaddr 4y agoThere are many valid reasons for not wanting to take part in the covid vaccine experiment. The first long term studies are due in 2024. Whatever informed opinion you hold the studies haven't come out yet and you are taking a gamble. A gamble society encourages all to take and punishes those it can. If you can't staff your healthcare clinic or hospital because you fired experience doctors, nurses and staff there is a lot of politics taking place and very little practical medicine. Removing those experienced nurses created worse working conditions for the remaining nurses who quit due to crazy schedules. The new nurses are a net negative on senior staff who have to train them. Higher wages isn't going to help attract experienced nurses who aren't allowed to work.
- pc86 4y agoThe COVID vaccine decreases the severity of the disease's symptoms. Regardless of the other benefits, isn't that enough reason to get it? Firing some nurse who gets their opinions from Dr. Oz and has crystals in their bedroom is a net positive for the healthcare system in my opinion. I want my healthcare practitioners to be people of science, who practice evidence-based medicine, and are willing to change their opinions on a dime based on the most recent studies. I'm certainly not the smartest person in the world, but I've met several healthcare providers in real life who have refused the vaccine and let's just say none of them gives off the air of a mental giant. Do you understand how insane you sound saying things like "the covid vaccine experiment?" Like some doctors just cooked up some crazy cocktail in 45 minutes and started sticking people with it on the street? Please.
- xani_ 4y agoI cannot imagine how the healthcare can cost so much yet still somehow there is not enough money to pay people that run it decently
- giantrobot 4y agoThere's plenty of money. It's just not going to pay workers.