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Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the expression, but usually when English speakers say they "take full responsibility" for a tragedy or unfortunate occurrence, th

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the expression, but usually when English speakers say they "take full responsibility" for a tragedy or unfortunate occurrence, they mean from a moral and blame-based standpoint, it's rarely related to the finances of those affected. The laid off employees are the ones ultimately worse off by the outcome, that goes without saying, what you're missing is that this is different from being morally or strategically responsible for why the situation played out this way. That's the ownership the CEO is trying to take.

LightG 4y ago
Back in the day it meant falling on your sword and letting someone better/new take over.
- xapata 4y ago
  Luckily, these days we value lessons learned from mistakes.
  - earthboundkid 4y ago
    Which is why we let the well connected people who make mistakes keep trying the same strategies because they’re sure to work out next time.
  - LightG 4y ago
    Depends on the mistake.
xani_ 4y ago
That's what they think they are saying. What it actually means is "It is my mistake that I admit is mine, you get fucked, I keep my chair and take zero actual consequences for it"
- icelancer 4y ago
  Someone has to be the boss and call the shots. Employees know that they could be fired/laid off when they take jobs. Part of life in the big city.
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  I mean if it's helpful to you, people can deconstruct the meanings of their colloquialisms so it's more clear, but for most English speakers it's not really necessary. Are you ESL? If I told someone "we'll be working on this report til the cows come home", I wouldn't expect that it's necessary to explain that the expression doesn't actually have anything to do with cattle, and instead just means I'm expecting this to take a long but indeterminant amount of time. If someone found it clever to point out what I _actually_ meant, I wouldn't find their input very helpful, just socially unintelligent and annoying. Usually it's more helpful to just research what an expression means, rather than trying to argue about what you personally think it _should_ mean.
  - xani_ 4y ago
    That only works if expression isn't purposefully vague or misleading, which most of corpo PR speak is. "Taking responsibility" (taking care of the kid) of condom breaking is a bit different than "taking responsiblity" (doing absolutely nothing of substance) in corporate world.
    - honkdaddy 4y ago
      Right, so one one might use a more specific expression if they were talking about the parental responsibilities of their own future child. Again, you're trying to argue against the well-understood meaning of a colloquialism that most English speaking adults understand. Your observation that words being said in the corporate world may be interpreted differently than in the bedroom is not a meaningful one and just comes off as uneducated, if I have to be honest. Communication in the corporate world is often deliberately vague, congratulations on your groundbreaking discovery.
kamaal 4y ago
>>it's rarely related to the finances of those affected. Some of You May Die, but that is a Sacrifice I'm Willing to Make

LightG 4y ago

Back in the day it meant falling on your sword and letting someone better/new take over.

xapata 4y ago
Luckily, these days we value lessons learned from mistakes.
- earthboundkid 4y ago
  Which is why we let the well connected people who make mistakes keep trying the same strategies because they’re sure to work out next time.
- LightG 4y ago
  Depends on the mistake.

xani_ 4y ago

That's what they think they are saying. What it actually means is "It is my mistake that I admit is mine, you get fucked, I keep my chair and take zero actual consequences for it"

icelancer 4y ago
Someone has to be the boss and call the shots. Employees know that they could be fired/laid off when they take jobs. Part of life in the big city.
honkdaddy 4y ago
I mean if it's helpful to you, people can deconstruct the meanings of their colloquialisms so it's more clear, but for most English speakers it's not really necessary. Are you ESL? If I told someone "we'll be working on this report til the cows come home", I wouldn't expect that it's necessary to explain that the expression doesn't actually have anything to do with cattle, and instead just means I'm expecting this to take a long but indeterminant amount of time. If someone found it clever to point out what I _actually_ meant, I wouldn't find their input very helpful, just socially unintelligent and annoying. Usually it's more helpful to just research what an expression means, rather than trying to argue about what you personally think it _should_ mean.
- xani_ 4y ago
  That only works if expression isn't purposefully vague or misleading, which most of corpo PR speak is. "Taking responsibility" (taking care of the kid) of condom breaking is a bit different than "taking responsiblity" (doing absolutely nothing of substance) in corporate world.
  - honkdaddy 4y ago
    Right, so one one might use a more specific expression if they were talking about the parental responsibilities of their own future child. Again, you're trying to argue against the well-understood meaning of a colloquialism that most English speaking adults understand. Your observation that words being said in the corporate world may be interpreted differently than in the bedroom is not a meaningful one and just comes off as uneducated, if I have to be honest. Communication in the corporate world is often deliberately vague, congratulations on your groundbreaking discovery.

kamaal 4y ago

>>it's rarely related to the finances of those affected. Some of You May Die, but that is a Sacrifice I'm Willing to Make