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That's not true and and it's not relevant. Teaching history is teaching history. The DEI camp want to improve the world in which we currently live. That it's du

by tootie 4y ago

That's not true and and it's not relevant. Teaching history is teaching history. The DEI camp want to improve the world in which we currently live. That it's due to historical injustice is beside the point. The two things are unrelated.

throwaway894345 4y ago
> That's not true and and it's not relevant. Feel free to support your claim. In the meanwhile, it's both true and relevant. > Teaching history is teaching history Yes, but 1619 != history. > The DEI camp want to improve the world in which we currently live. Perhaps their intent is noble, but they seem to have been counterproductive. First of all, DEI programs don't actually work, and this is pretty widely accepted[0][1][2][3][4]. Secondly, broader woke identity politics are not merely ineffective at reducing right-wing identity politics, they are driving them. Since left-wing identity politics became mainstream, right-wing identity politics moved from the fringe to a mainstream position. Right-wing identity politics moved from the margins in 2010 to a pretty popular position among Republicans. Right-wing hate groups have increased in number and brazenness. And by the way, liberals were sounding the alarm that this would be the consequence of going all-in on left-wing illiberalism--there was obviously no way that reducing everyone to their skin color was ever going to do anything other than increasing a right-wing white identity. [0]: https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail [1]: https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way-its-supposed-to https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffective-diversity-training-wont-go-away https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffectiv... [3]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversity-dei-initiative.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversi... [4]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07/01/to-improve-diversity-dont-make-people-go-to-diversity-training-really-2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07...

by tootie 4y ago

throwaway894345 4y ago

> That's not true and and it's not relevant. Feel free to support your claim. In the meanwhile, it's both true and relevant. > Teaching history is teaching history Yes, but 1619 != history. > The DEI camp want to improve the world in which we currently live. Perhaps their intent is noble, but they seem to have been counterproductive. First of all, DEI programs don't actually work, and this is pretty widely accepted[0][1][2][3][4]. Secondly, broader woke identity politics are not merely ineffective at reducing right-wing identity politics, they are driving them. Since left-wing identity politics became mainstream, right-wing identity politics moved from the fringe to a mainstream position. Right-wing identity politics moved from the margins in 2010 to a pretty popular position among Republicans. Right-wing hate groups have increased in number and brazenness. And by the way, liberals were sounding the alarm that this would be the consequence of going all-in on left-wing illiberalism--there was obviously no way that reducing everyone to their skin color was ever going to do anything other than increasing a right-wing white identity. [0]: https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail [1]: https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way-its-supposed-to https://hbr.org/2019/07/does-diversity-training-work-the-way... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffective-diversity-training-wont-go-away https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210614-why-ineffectiv... [3]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversity-dei-initiative.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/workplace-diversi... [4]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07/01/to-improve-diversity-dont-make-people-go-to-diversity-training-really-2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/07...