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Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017. I

by remram 4y ago

Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017. I don't understand why they thought that move would benefit them. I don't understand how Jack Conte is still CEO after such a stupid change or how he can say with a straight face that he's "taking responsibility".

battery_glasses 4y ago
I think its reasonable that a lot of creators don't want to distribute their work along side porn. Does Only Fans have any non-porn content? I really don't know because in my head Only Fans is a place for porn.
- throwaway675309 4y ago
  Patreon has a shit ton of NSFW stuff so I'm not sure if this decision was overturned or if it's just limited to actual live actor pornography.
  - dc-programmer 4y ago
    Maybe I’m biased due to the content I subscribe to, but Patreon seems to be going for a more sophisticated aesthetic. This comes through even in the name. The word Patreon conjures images of the Medici’s and “elevated” art forms. I think if they started to cater to the NSFW side of things it would result in brand confusion for producers and consumers.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines is the official rules. A summary: * mark horny stuff as 18+ * all horny posts must be patron-only * drawings are okay but no photos/video of actual people going at it * no bestiality, rape, kids, incest, necrophilia, or dubcon/noncon As a creator of horny art I do not look forwards to the day when Visa/Mastercard/Apple/Google/etc leans on Patreon and says "hey we banned all horny content, you can either ban it too or you can quit working with us".
brown9-2 4y ago
Patreon probably feared pressure from the Apple App Store.
egypturnash 4y ago
There is a time-honored path that this choice to ban NSFW stuff is part of. 1. Make a way for people to get paid over the Internet for making stuff. 2. Be okay with horny stuff, possibly as an explicit choice in the beginning, possibly as a pivot when people who make horny stuff start shifting a lot of money through the pipeline you're providing. 3. Get big enough for Visa/Mastercard/Apple/Google to notice that you sure are pushing a lot of horny money through their payment systems. Which have a lot of clauses that basically boil down to "no horny". 4. You have a choice here: figure out how to work completely outside of whichever payment system's owner is saying "no horny", or ban horny. I've never seen anyone take the former option. 5. Make a wishy-washy blog post about how you are banning horny stuff that completely fails to come out and say "this really sucks and we hate to do it but we can either drop our horny creators and keep existing as a company, or we can pretty much pack up the entire affair; here are some ways you can go put pressure on Visa/MC/Google/Apple/your lawmakers/etc to maybe change this state of affairs for the next people to follow this path, seriously this is 100% happening because V/MC/G/A finally noticed we have been blatantly skirting these rules". This has happened many times before, and it will continue to happen many times in the future until someone chooses "fuck all existing payment processors, we're finding a new way to get money from customers to creators" and makes it work.
- rideontime 4y ago
  Despite all my anti-crypto ideals and principles, this feels like a potential use case. If I have to make an ethereum wallet to get all my niche furry porn, so be it.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    It does, doesn't it. But it's been almost fourteen years since Bitcoin hit the world and it's never become a major way to pay for porn, despite everyone who makes porn knowing damn well that this keeps happening. Sex.com was making millions a mere five or so years after the WWW made it out of CERN.
- xapata 4y ago
  Branding matters, too. It may be difficult to serve both horny and "no horny" consumers, so you need to decide which market you prefer.
koyote 4y ago
I'm no entrepreneur but wouldn't a good way to solve this be to have two separate brands under the same platform? Patreon and Patreon Red or something, where one is adult content only and the other is not.

by remram 4y ago

battery_glasses 4y ago

I think its reasonable that a lot of creators don't want to distribute their work along side porn. Does Only Fans have any non-porn content? I really don't know because in my head Only Fans is a place for porn.

throwaway675309 4y ago
Patreon has a shit ton of NSFW stuff so I'm not sure if this decision was overturned or if it's just limited to actual live actor pornography.
- dc-programmer 4y ago
  Maybe I’m biased due to the content I subscribe to, but Patreon seems to be going for a more sophisticated aesthetic. This comes through even in the name. The word Patreon conjures images of the Medici’s and “elevated” art forms. I think if they started to cater to the NSFW side of things it would result in brand confusion for producers and consumers.
- egypturnash 4y ago
  https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines is the official rules. A summary: * mark horny stuff as 18+ * all horny posts must be patron-only * drawings are okay but no photos/video of actual people going at it * no bestiality, rape, kids, incest, necrophilia, or dubcon/noncon As a creator of horny art I do not look forwards to the day when Visa/Mastercard/Apple/Google/etc leans on Patreon and says "hey we banned all horny content, you can either ban it too or you can quit working with us".

brown9-2 4y ago

Patreon probably feared pressure from the Apple App Store.

egypturnash 4y ago

There is a time-honored path that this choice to ban NSFW stuff is part of. 1. Make a way for people to get paid over the Internet for making stuff. 2. Be okay with horny stuff, possibly as an explicit choice in the beginning, possibly as a pivot when people who make horny stuff start shifting a lot of money through the pipeline you're providing. 3. Get big enough for Visa/Mastercard/Apple/Google to notice that you sure are pushing a lot of horny money through their payment systems. Which have a lot of clauses that basically boil down to "no horny". 4. You have a choice here: figure out how to work completely outside of whichever payment system's owner is saying "no horny", or ban horny. I've never seen anyone take the former option. 5. Make a wishy-washy blog post about how you are banning horny stuff that completely fails to come out and say "this really sucks and we hate to do it but we can either drop our horny creators and keep existing as a company, or we can pretty much pack up the entire affair; here are some ways you can go put pressure on Visa/MC/Google/Apple/your lawmakers/etc to maybe change this state of affairs for the next people to follow this path, seriously this is 100% happening because V/MC/G/A finally noticed we have been blatantly skirting these rules". This has happened many times before, and it will continue to happen many times in the future until someone chooses "fuck all existing payment processors, we're finding a new way to get money from customers to creators" and makes it work.

rideontime 4y ago
Despite all my anti-crypto ideals and principles, this feels like a potential use case. If I have to make an ethereum wallet to get all my niche furry porn, so be it.
- egypturnash 4y ago
  It does, doesn't it. But it's been almost fourteen years since Bitcoin hit the world and it's never become a major way to pay for porn, despite everyone who makes porn knowing damn well that this keeps happening. Sex.com was making millions a mere five or so years after the WWW made it out of CERN.
xapata 4y ago
Branding matters, too. It may be difficult to serve both horny and "no horny" consumers, so you need to decide which market you prefer.

koyote 4y ago

I'm no entrepreneur but wouldn't a good way to solve this be to have two separate brands under the same platform? Patreon and Patreon Red or something, where one is adult content only and the other is not.